out of pocket £3000 with no sign of gettting it back !!!

[wickedep]

Hi guys,

Sorry for the delay as I have been having exams at uni, so been preparing for them.

First off I would like to say I am sorry, and it is a complete shit situation to be in, it has truely saddend me beyond belief that something like this has happened. I'm not a scammer and have had many deals with people on here and TGTT in buying and selling items.

I'm not trying to start an argument I'm mearly getting my point across.

Both Gee, and Sacha were aware of the manufacturer of these kits, they were both sceptical about sending money without knowing who the manufacturer was, I have nothing to hide nor have I got anything to hide from any member on here. Adding to this, I do not understand why Gee decided to leave it so long before finding out that this/these guys were cons? I done some research on the net and found nothing about the company, other than the address of where they are/were located. I'm not as close to the guys at Zisco as are Gee and Sacha, so cannot understand why their research with the help of Zisco wasn't carried out sooner to save this trouble. Not trying to blame, whats done is done, it is just puzzling for me.

It WAS and still IS my responsability to try and retrieve OUR money back, I would just like to point out that not only have Gee and Sacha been victims of this situation, I have also lost the same amount of money, (circa £2200).

I have made a complete report of all the happenings that I have been through, ie, phoning the bank, going into 3 different branches, contacting who I need to contact etc to try and get this resolved.

I don't need to explain what I have been through as both Gee and Sacha know what I have done to try and get the money back, but for those who don't know it goes a little something like this:

I sent the money through the bank, thinking I would have protection from them incase things go tits up, when the shit did hit the fan, I was straight onto the phone to the bank, I was then told there was a chance of me claiming the money back through a fraud dispute. I then went into branch to get a dispute form where I was told to use the phone to ring their office to get one of these forms sent to me. Whilst on the phone I was then told I wasnt able to claim the money back because it was sent as a transfer, rather than a payment. Great, I wish I would have been told this by the bank at the time of sending the money, considering it was rather a large sum!

After this I went to a different branch were I was told rather than it being a dispute with the bank, it would be a VISA dispute, once again I was told that I couldn't file a dispute with VISA because it was a transfer, not payment.

After phoning Citizens advice, I was informed of a setup called ActionFraud, which work alongside the police to create reports where they will look into them. I first had to issure the guy in Malta with a notice period of intent, to either send the goods, or recieve a refund. None of which was acheived by the end of the notice period. I then made a report with ActionFraud and created a CRN (crime reference number). Whilst creating this report I was told that the best thing to do, since it was an overseas situation was to keep the contact to try and get the money back.

I have kept contact and all I keep getting it seems is excuses, and I really don't know how people can sleep at night by ripping people off. I am a genuine guy, trying to have a better walk of life by going to uni, have me own place and settled in a relationship.

I would have no doubts about giving both Gee and Sacha back their money from my own accord, the fact is I simply don't have the money, nor will I have it for a very long time. I'm more than happy to send them some money, but I doubt they would accept because of such very small sum, and to add to that, I have been on Starlet sites now for the best part of 3 years, since then I have been saving as much money as possible to gather the best parts for my own build, and I can tell all you guys now the only parts I have are, forged pistons, forged rods, headgasket, manifold, downpipe, valve springs, fuel rail and a set of seats. It has taken me 3 years to gather these parts, so you can guess how long it would take me to gather £5000 to pay these guys off!

I don't wish to get such a bad reputation from this, I've been around for quite some time, I have tried to do what is best for all of those involved. I have around 60 emails from this guy in Malta, all saved as evidence, even ones where he says hes willing to give me a refund, yet nothing has been recieved. I also have statements printed off from the bank to prove that I have sent the money.

I'm quite confused as to why this thread has come about in my opinion, this is a public forum not a court, but I feel as if it is trying to make a mockery of myself.

I respect those people that haven't just jumped on the bandwaggon and started slating to me death like would of happened on other forums.

I would be more than happy if anyone has any questions regarding this to PM me, I have nothing to hide, I am a victim of this and not the guy that Gee and Sacha are after.

Thanks

Adam

yes, what Adam is saying is true..i do believe that he has done everything in his power to take action against this guy..Adam always kept in constant touch through email etc and always quick to update on the situation. i really appreciated this and this is why i have not made any fuss at all about this whole situation..i mean ANY fuss. i found out about this guy in Malta only after Gee had done some digging way past the dates the boxes were supposed to be delivered..if i had know about his reputation previously..i would not have participated in the GB. i doubt reporting to the fraud bureau would have much of an outcome..but who knows..maybe it will yield something positive someday.

[H_D]

DamN what a wounder..I feel sorry for all of you

[AdamB]

yes, what Adam is saying is true..i do believe that he has done everything in his power to take action against this guy..Adam always kept in constant touch through email etc and always quick to update on the situation. i really appreciated this and this is why i have not made any fuss at all about this whole situation..i mean ANY fuss. i found out about this guy in Malta only after Gee had done some digging way past the dates the boxes were supposed to be delivered..if i had know about his reputation previously..i would not have participated in the GB. i doubt reporting to the fraud bureau would have much of an outcome..but who knows..maybe it will yield something positive someday.

Thanks for the kind words Sacha. I admit if I had known about this guy, I wouldn't have gone through it myself, let alone put yous guys through this shit situation.

I will give it a few more days, as I am still in contact with the guy over in Malta, and I hope he now realises that it's not just me he is fighting against, but a whole community, including my family. After this I will be in contact with the Fraud office and see if I can find any updates regarding the status of the report I have filed against him.

Adam

[Liam_D]

Gutted for everyone involved hope everyone involved gets it sorted!