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Right guys were do I start, as some of you know I had my glanza forged at td not long ago, the day I picked her up there was a noise coming from the engine bay as it was my first forged engine I thought it was piston slap then later on I realised when I put

The cluch down the noise goes away so i thought obviously it's the realease bearing as the gears were sticking iswell so I got on the phone to mike who told me to put some miles on it which I did and he said he will take a look at it

When I bring it down for mapping, I was worried as I spent all that money and I started getting opinions off other starlet specialist who told me

Also that it's the realease bearing, as it was fine before I gave them the car, so I kept staying

Intouch with mike who kept saying

To me he will take a look when I take it for mapping, so I kept calm and run the car in and took it in for mapping, on the day of the mapping

they never mentioned nothing about

The problem untill I mentioned it, I goes am not going to get the car mapped untill the problem

Is sorted so they decided to take a look and came out with saying its the input shaft bearing

In the gear box, I don't understand how it

Can be the input shaft bearing because when I gave them the car it was fine as soon as they changed the clutch kit for a brand new spec six puk paddle clutch which suppose to be supplied with a new release bearing, I goes to mike I need the car sorted today before mapping which to he said we dont keep and realise bearings in stock which I thought was abit wierd as I thought he was trying to put it off, but he kept telling

Me nick noes his stuff and it's deffo the input shaft bearing he goes we adjusted the clutch peddle and it's not sticking no more, then he goes it's up to u if u Want to map it or not but he assured me that the rattle will not affect the car in anyway and u can continue to drive it after mapping so in the end I decided to get it mapped as I travelled all that way down to them as it would have been a waste of a journey and fuel and time,

On the way home I realised the gears are still sticking and the car is a appsalute Pain to drive up on till now

I dont understand how u can say its the input shaft bearing just by listening to the noise.

Now am not on here to slate anybody as this has been like this since I got the car back they could have sorted it but they just don't seem like they want to

I've paid near enuff £3500 including mapping

And I can't even drive the car properly

And now am vary of giving the car back

To them as they could just make it up saying

It's not the realise bearing so I'm

Stuck in the middle of a shit expiriance and a car that don't work properly

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I dont understand how you can adjust a hydralic clutch. Have a look at the clutch fork sticking out of the gearbox with the slave cylinder attached to it. With the engine running does it wobble? That will be release bearing if it does or a possibility of the pressure plate on the clutch not torqued down in the correct sequence allowing the diaphragm spring on the pressure plate to have a "high spot" giving the wobble. Was the flywheel skimmed during the rebuild? If not the flywheel could be slightly warped also causing the clutch to wobble. Without seeing the car and listening to the problem its hard to diagnose. Hope you get sorted out buddy.

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Think you can adjust the pedal under the dash.

I know its a lot of hassle but you could try a different box.

Or the "sugar cube" on the selectors might be worn.

Or maybe its the cables, they might have corroded inside a bit but having had the engine out could have upset them and caused them the stick.

Just thinking of other possibilities but my gearbox rattles and it drives find an i know that thats the bearing inside as i had it apart recently

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You can 100% adjust the clutch at the pedal.



Also its quite easy to diagnose a input shaft or release bearing just by listening to it. Infact that is the correct way to diagnose it lol.


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You can 100% adjust the clutch at the pedal.

Also its quite easy to diagnose a input shaft or release bearing just by listening to it. Infact that is the correct way to diagnose it lol.

The input shaft bearing fails when a forged engine gets put in? Surely its release bearing?

Would seem more logical? Since that's the one that's changed...

May be a faulty bearing?

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My friend had forged engine and spec clutch had same thing noise coming from gearbox and struggled to get gears took gearbox off to find clutch had failed 3 of the spring in the friction plate had come out. Will get pics for you.

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Redline,



We inspected the car for you as requested, before mapping, and gave you our diagnosis.



We also adjusted the clutch pedal to ensure the slave cylinder was getting enough movement, we then road tested the car, all was well.



I then gave you the option as you were unsure about mapping, you had a think about it and decided to have it mapped, so we did. Again the car was ok when on the dyno, and again fine on the second road test after mapping.



Nothing is perfect, we understand that which is why when you repeatedly rang the workshop, the advice was to bring it and let us listen and have a look, as it is useless speculating over the telephone :)



This is the first I've heard from you after mapping, you haven't contacted me at all, despite me asking you to let me know how you get on with it, we were also about 20 yards from you over at JapFest yesterday, did you not think to pop over if you think you still have a problem? I spoke to your brother on the Sunday morning briefly and nothing was mentioned either.



Cheers



Mike Jones


Tuning Developments Ltd

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The input shaft bearing fails when a forged engine gets put in? Surely its release bearing?

Would seem more logical? Since that's the one that's changed...

May be a faulty bearing?

I was just confirming that this could be diagnosed this way as the OP questioned it mate.

I cant comment on which part is faulty obviously the release bearing seemed the more logical culprit but as Mike diagnosed it in the flesh I can only take his word for it.

I wasnt making any kind of opinion merely confirming the technical questions asked by previous posts.

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Redline,

We inspected the car for you as requested, before mapping, and gave you our diagnosis.

We also adjusted the clutch pedal to ensure the slave cylinder was getting enough movement, we then road tested the car, all was well.

I then gave you the option as you were unsure about mapping, you had a think about it and decided to have it mapped, so we did. Again the car was ok when on the dyno, and again fine on the second road test after mapping.

Nothing is perfect, we understand that which is why when you repeatedly rang the workshop, the advice was to bring it and let us listen and have a look, as it is useless speculating over the telephone :)

This is the first I've heard from you after mapping, you haven't contacted me at all, despite me asking you to let me know how you get on with it, we were also about 20 yards from you over at JapFest yesterday, did you not think to pop over if you think you still have a problem? I spoke to your brother on the Sunday morning briefly and nothing was mentioned either.

Cheers

Mike Jones

Tuning Developments Ltd

I know you checked it and everything but it has still got the same problem....

Since mapping that's right you have not herd from me, that's cause you guys are not sorting nothing out, so there is no need for me to get in touch

If someone local to me is willing to have a listen to my car or even take it for a little blast I dont mind .....

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It does sound like release bearing to me and it should be since other starlet specialist are saying the same except td so I don't blame you for being pissed off



When he looked at it did he just listen or strip it out to find the problem?

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It does sound like release bearing to me and it should be since other starlet specialist are saying the same except td so I don't blame you for being pissed off

Just listend to it bud

When he looked at it did he just listen or strip it out to find the problem?

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It does sound like release bearing to me and it should be since other starlet specialist are saying the same except td so I don't blame you for being pissed off

Just listend to it bud

When he looked at it did he just listen or strip it out to find the problem?

Me personally wouldn't consider that good enough unless listening is enough for a specialist to know for sure 100%. Get it checked by another specialist just to make sure

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Me personally wouldn't consider that good enough unless listening is enough for a specialist to know for sure 100%. Get it checked by another specialist just to make sure

Listening is enough to know the difference between a thrust bearing and a input shaft bearing. Any mechanic would know this.

I'm not taking sides just shouldn't be getting carried away without dealing in facts.

As a workshop goes you cannot strip it down to diagnose as you are 2 hours in labour removing a gearbox as a general timeframe. Plus the consumables used.

It wouldnt be viable especially if you got that far and the customer couldnt afford the work. Listening is the correct diagnosis.

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All be it not looking good for td once again, not meaning to sound bad but it seems to be one thing after another this year going against them

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Listening is enough to know the difference between a thrust bearing and a input shaft bearing. Any mechanic would know this.

I'm not taking sides just shouldn't be getting carried away without dealing in facts.

As a workshop goes you cannot strip it down to diagnose as you are 2 hours in labour removing a gearbox as a general timeframe. Plus the consumables used.

It wouldnt be viable especially if you got that far and the customer couldnt afford the work. Listening is the correct diagnosis.

If its enough then its fine but he does need to get it checked by someone else to make sure

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Take the box off!

Half a days work,will find the answer then.

Sometimes have teething problems after such major surgery,the guys at td are very open to discussion and have good customer satisfaction,annoying I know good luck with it .

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When I had my spec clutch fitted with the new release bearing provided it had same issue. Turned out. The release bearing was fault so had to get it replaced.

Was it a TD one?

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Take the box off! Half a days work,will find the answer then. Sometimes have teething problems after such major surgery,the guys at td are very open to discussion and have good customer satisfaction,annoying I know good luck with it .

Box off is 32mins work according to my go pro when I filmed it, sad I know haha!!

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Av had issues wiv 6 puk release bearin an cudnt get hold of replacement so end up replacin with 1 from camkskill and works great,best price on market to :)

Not many places sell release bearin on its own.

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Birmingham westmidlands :)

Give Tim@ TB Developments a ring mate, he'll look at it for you. He's only round the corner in Kidderminster and is a Toyota specialist. Tell him Adam sent you :thumbsup:

07779 415207

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