tommyep82 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Wel lads got my gt starlet mapped the other day and only made 240bhp @ 1.4 bar boost on a tuning developmenps hybrid td04 😠 No boost leaks no falt codes running fine just not making good power, is also lagy for a td04 imo. Can't figure it out, Any input would be greatly appreciated.Is my exhaust big enough? Think it's 2.25 into 2.5" blitz nur specrest of spec is,td hybrid td04 turbo kitforged 4e engine, (standard compression)standard head and inletEmanage ultimat ecuFmifpr walbro pumpLambda sensor was not working on dyno witch I have since changed but ecu dose not use lambda at wotThanks Edited June 25, 2015 by tommyep82 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TrisK Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 who mapped it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Mike EP82 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Wel lads got my gt starlet mapped the other day and only made 240bhp @ 1.4 bar boost on a tuning developmenps hybrid td04 😠 No boost leaks no falt codes running fine just not making good power, is also lagy for a td04 imo. Can't figure it out, Any input would be greatly appreciated.Is my exhaust big enough? Think it's 2.25 into 2.5" blitz nur specrest of spec is,td hybrid td04 turbo kitforged 4e engine, (standard compression)standard head and inletEmanage ultimat ecuFmifpr walbro pumpLambda sensor was not working on dyno witch I have since changed but ecu dose not use lambda at wotThanksIf that's whp then that's ok Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Socks Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 If thats Wheel BHP like Mike Said.. Thats fine. Thats 276 at the flywheel... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tommyep82 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 No lads that's at the fly only 200 at the wheels???Mapped by ap performance in Galway Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mi16chris Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 There's a lot of factors really mate , with out seeing / testing the car it's very hard to say Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Mike EP82 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 No lads that's at the fly only 200 at the wheels???Mapped by ap performance in Galwaywhat fuel? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mi16chris Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 what fuel?it will be 95 that's about all u can get in Ireland Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Mike EP82 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 it will be 95 that's about all u can get in Ireland That's the problem then fuel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mi16chris Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 That's the problem then fuel. the difference between 95 and 97 or 98 is not huge man I've made very good power on 95 before Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) That's the problem then fuel. could be a factor or be some real bad fuel like, but 95 ron shouldnt make such crap power at 1.4bar. if the fuel was real crap she likely be pinking/detting so much it wouldnt have even been mapped up to 1.4bar. Phil Edited June 25, 2015 by Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Mike EP82 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 the difference between 95 and 97 or 98 is not huge man I've made very good power on 95 before what power have you made on 95? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mi16chris Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) what power have you made on 95? I've made 240 at 1.1 bar with td04 on 95 and I've also made 262 at 1 bar on td04 with cams and 260 odd at 1.4 bar td04 Edited June 25, 2015 by mi16chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mi16chris Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Even in ni were I live we can only get 97 so it's not that much better but I'm sure the 99 u get in the mainland is good stuff Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Mike EP82 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 could be a factor or be some real bad fuel like, but 95 ron shouldnt make such crap power at 1.4bar. if the fuel was real crap she likely be pinking/detting so much it wouldnt have even been mapped up to 1.4bar. Phil what else can it be? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) what else can it be? well he mentioned it was laggy - so maybe a dodged actuator bodge. or a bad wastegate. it could be certain manufacturers manifolds which have tiny runners. it could be there is no timing in the map the static timing could even be out i guess really it could be a whole lot of things - or a little bit of lots of things including poor fuel. but unlike Chris even if i seen the car i wouldnt be much sue at diagnosing any of them Lol Phil Edited June 25, 2015 by Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Mike EP82 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 I've made 240 at 1.1 bar with td04 on 95 and I've also made 262 at 1 bar on td04 with cams and 260 odd at 1.4 bar td04 262 at 1bar 260 at 1.4bar ??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Mike EP82 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 well he mentioned it was laggy - so maybe a dodged actuator bodge. or a bad wastegate. it could be certain manufacturers manifolds which have tiny runners. it could be there is no timing in the map the static timing could even be out i guess really it could be a whole lot of things - or a little bit of lots of things including poor fuel. but unlike Chris even if i seen the car i wouldnt be much sue at diagnosing any of them Lol Phil ignition timing retarded due to poor fuel causing det imo but like you said could be a number of things purely speculation Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tommyep82 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 I'm using external waste gate and manifold has big runnes, same mani has flowed 350bhp, and yes it's only 95 petrol but still should of made better power, only thing I'm thinking is bad turbo but it's only about a year old and no smoke or play at all??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) 262 at 1bar 260 at 1.4bar ??? different engine specs. chris mapped the 262 @ 1bar a good few years ago. ignition timing retarded due to poor fuel causing det imo but like you said could be a number of things purely speculation agreed, hard to pin point something without seeing and knowing everything... even then id be lost lol theortically could be plenty of things. Phil Edited June 25, 2015 by Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mi16chris Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 262 at 1bar260 at 1.4bar ??? yeah as I've said it had cams and a a fair bit done to it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mi16chris Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) ignition timing retarded due to poor fuel causing det imo but like you said could be a number of things purely speculation it could well be I've seen 4eftes that take no timing at all before det and others that even on 95 have no problems Edited June 25, 2015 by mi16chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Mike EP82 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 it could well be I've seen 4eftes that take no timing at all before det and others that even on 95 have no problemsAgreed.Graph would be nice tho see how late it spools Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foggy Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Ap performance dyno is also a low reading dyno.I have seen cars mapped on that dyno that made 200bhp and then to go on other dynos to make 220-230bhp.Aonghus mapping is flawless usually and spends more time than most getting cars right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gainzy Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 I reckon timing aswell I wouldn't use anything other than 97 fuel wise different times of the year can effect mapping to but your missing like 40hp I would do a compression check just for a piece of mind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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