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4efe SWAP to 4efte in Corolla E11 1998


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1 hour ago, Frankieflowers said:

I finally pulled up the engine. I have some important questions for you guys who have already worked on swaps.

I need to know where these connectors go  what they are for  Do you have a diagram with the connector names and code? The Corolla has more connectors on the fuse box connectors line  

my mechanic won’t start the work if he doesn’t know each of them  

@Sam44 @Claymore

about the steering wheel pump  back in the days we spoke about keeping the acorolla pump  I remember we spoke about adopting it because one of the bolts won’t get in and something had to be modified  I need to know the measures and if possible see a picture  The other option is to keep the original 4efte steering wheel pump but of course the pipes need to be cut or replaced because the Sasi is different  The original Starlet ones would be too short and they are male on the ends  how could I do this work?

please check out these pictures and help me if you can  

It will be easier to see what solution is best when the corolla pump is mounted on the 4efte engine. You can then measure to see what metal piece you need to make. I have only put a 4efe starlet pump on a 4efte lower bracket (see my build for pictures)

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Its a solenoid, could be for A/C or charcoal canister, don't know really :unknw:

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This is the ABS relay (ANTI LOCK BRAKING SYSTEM)

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On my starlet it looks like this. The loom clip bolts to the gearbox and the plugs go to the fuse box. I think.

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This ECU is from an automatic gearbox car (4efte AT. AT = Automatic MT = Manual transmission) Could need extra wiring, neutral switch etc.)

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Charcoal canister for a 93-97 corolla :wacko:

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I've put some answers bold and underlined in the quote above. Be aware, I don't have a Glanza and haven't engine swapped one either.

If you have the engine, try laying the loom on it and connecting the plugs up to the sensors. Sometimes the plugs only fit one sensor and the length of wire is only long enough to reach one sensor anyway.

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On 11/22/2020 at 11:01 AM, Sam44 said:

were the cut is required is at the tip of the adjustment hole you can see in the picture above. around 1inch from the tip of the adjustment hole (just anuff to remove/replace the belt). 

this allows the e11 pump anuff room to move to remove/replace the belt when required. 

now an additional bracket is needed to be made/fabricated (very simple) in order to line up the e11 4efe pump hole with this 4efte adjustment bracket hole. 

this is a 3inch in length peace of inch wide flat steel bar with 1x 12mm hole at either end (2xholes in total) now welde 2x 12mm nuts together, now wield them to the flat bar inline with 1 of the drilled 12mm holes (so when a bolt is fitted/screwed into the 12mm bolts it passes threw the hole in the flat bar)

now bolt it all together the nut/nuts end of the flat bar bracket attaches to the rear face (oil filter side) of the 4efte bracket in the picture above, the 2x wielded nuts and the bar take up the space needed to alight the new flat bar bracket with the e11 4efe power steering pump. 

fit the belt, have the new bracket (flat bar) fitted, but loose, place a heal bar under the pump so as to pri it upwards and put tension onto the belt, now just tighten up the new bracket bolts at either end

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Can you send me a picture of the modification or a drawing with the exact measures? I need to make it before I remove the 4efe engine from the Corolla.

otherwise how can I keep the 4efte steering pump and modify the pipes? Thanks

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3 hours ago, Claymore said:

If you have the engine, try laying the loom on it and connecting the plugs up to the sensors. Sometimes the plugs only fit one sensor and the length of wire is only long enough to reach one sensor anyway.

Thank you. That’s what I did. I laid the 4efte wires on the engine to reconnect the connectors. The thing I cannot to do is to get the Corolla loom out of the car to try it on the engine. It’s a privilege I don’t have because I need to use the car until I am 100% sure they fit. That’s why I was looking for The connection line information to prepare the work. I have found one for the EP 82 but I don’t know if the connectors line is the same as the EP 91. can you confirm that? I still haven’t found the Corolla connectors line with pictures and names to be sure I know which ones are going to be extra. Looking at the diagrams without names I know that the starlet has 13 points but the Corolla has around 18. I’m worried that the fuse box connectors line will be too short to be swapped in the Corolla. 

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On 6/23/2021 at 3:51 PM, Sam44 said:

im here. you can message me if you need to anytime. i will reply. 

i can talk you threw most repairs/mods. 

Are you available for help? I cannot start the swab until I figure out connectors on both engines, steering wheel pump fix or pipes replacement. I posted some pictures because there are some parts on the 4EFTE that I don’t know. 

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yep i will get onto it new. im searching and looking at wiring diagrams now. i have also got your massages. lets do this. 

it look in the picture like your have the two power steering pipes complete with the engine and power steering pump. is this right ?. if so they will just pipe into your steering rack. 

do you have a 4efte engine ecu ?.

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Hi. Here are the two air conditioning pumps. Reading the label it says that they use different gas. So my idea would be to use the Corolla input metal pipe on the Starlet AC pump. Is it a good idea? Would there be any problem with the electric system? The cars are sisters and they are from the same year. I would keep the Corolla air-conditioning pump but I am not sure if the bolts match. I am already struggling to understand what is best to do with the steering wheel pump because adapting it seems easy but I need more information. I would rather modify the pipes to keep the starlet pump. 
 

I took a look at the ep82 loom manual with all the pictures of the connectors a user made. I am looking for the same thing for the ep91 and Corolla E11 1998. I would like to know if the connectors are the same between the EP 82 in the EP 91. it doesn’t seem like it is because some connectors are different. I also would like to know how to deal with the different connectors or extra connectors that I will find on the Starlet loom or on the Corolla loom. So basically I would have to take out the Corolla loom and match them before putting the Starlet loom with it’s fuse box in the Corolla. I was lucky I got the complete loom with fuse boxes. I am still looking connectors pictures with the position on the loom line for the Corolla to complete the job. 
 

Corolla AC PUMP

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ep91 AC pump

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COROLLA e11 steering pump

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 Ep91 fusebox loom

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8 hours ago, Sam44 said:

yep i will get onto it new. im searching and looking at wiring diagrams now. i have also got your massages. lets do this. 

it look in the picture like your have the two power steering pipes complete with the engine and power steering pump. is this right ?. if so they will just pipe into your steering rack. 

do you have a 4efte engine ecu ?.

Yes I will send you more pictures. The ep91 4efte is complete. It comes from a health cut and the guys sent me everything that was attached to the engine including the cabin loom that I apparently do not need. 
what I need is to figure out the fuse box loom that attaches to the car in the engine bay and to the engine. The ECU loom is complete and it’s hanging there. I hope it will be long enough to reach the inside site in the Corolla. I need connectors pictures of the EP 91 and Corolla to be able to match them before I start tearing apart the Corolla. 
The two engines are complete and this means That I have the complete steering wheel pipes both both cars  The starlet engine bay is smaller because the cars are different  although they are sisters. It has to be considered also that the Corolla has a left side driver  The wires and fuse box should be the same for both left and right driver  I am pretty sure they are because I started to label the EP 91 fuse box loom and it starts from the left side and goes arounduntil the upper right side where the air conditioning pipes and engine belts are  

So...problems I have to solve is fuse box loom match with corolla loom. ECU loom match with corolla loom  

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pressure switch in the airbox area  what is it and what to do with it?

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here you see the ECU loom

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Here are the diagrams pf the Starlet ep91 and Corolla E11 steering pipes. I need to match the EP 91 oil pipes to the Corolla pipes. How can I do it?

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4 hours ago, Frankieflowers said:

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Here are the diagrams pf the Starlet ep91 and Corolla E11 steering pipes. I need to match the EP 91 oil pipes to the Corolla pipes. How can I do it?

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The engine is also from an automatic car. You will need a manual flywheel as the engine has an automatic flex plate. What clutch did you buy? Which gearbox are you using?

The power steering only has 3 fluid pipes. High pressure hose from pump to the rack, low pressure hose from the rack to bottle and a feed hose from bottle to pump.

The corolla low pressure return line from rack to bottle can be left alone (its already fitted to the car where it needs to be and already returns oil to the bottle). The high pressure pipe will be more complicated as it can't just be cut and lengthened because it is high pressure, it may need a specialist to make a hose (hydraulic maker like Pirtek) or there may be an adapter to connect the glanza hose to the metal pipework at the rack. The feed hose from the bottle to pump can be easily made from suitable hose.

Which pump are you going to use the glanza one or the corolla one?

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5 hours ago, Sam44 said:

right ive come across the e11 electrical tacho/speedo drive/sensor for your clocks. im working on the wiring now looks quite straight forward i will send it you over soon. 

I appreciate that. I started last night with a EP 82 wiring connectors diagram that I don’t remember the name this guy made with all the pictures of the connectors and the numbers on the wiring map. I already found around 13 connectors. Some of them do not look the same and this is why I am not sure that the EP82 wiring diagram and connectors are the same as the EP 91. this is very important to be sure that on the starlet side everything is figured out. Then I will have to do the same for the Corolla to match them. If you will send me pictures and numbers of both will save my life!

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1 hour ago, Claymore said:

The engine is also from an automatic car. You will need a manual flywheel as the engine has an automatic flex plate. What clutch did you buy? Which gearbox are you using?

The power steering only has 3 fluid pipes. High pressure hose from pump to the rack, low pressure hose from the rack to bottle and a feed hose from bottle to pump.

The corolla low pressure return line from rack to bottle can be left alone (its already fitted to the car where it needs to be and already returns oil to the bottle). The high pressure pipe will be more complicated as it can't just be cut and lengthened because it is high pressure, it may need a specialist to make a hose (hydraulic maker like Pirtek) or there may be an adapter to connect the glanza hose to the metal pipework at the rack. The feed hose from the bottle to pump can be easily made from suitable hose.

Which pump are you going to use the glanza one or the corolla one?

Thank you. Are you saying that the engine I bought is automatic? They didn’t tell me so. My 4EFE gearbox is manual. That’s the gearbox I’m going to use. Will it be possible to move the manual fly wheel from the 4EFE gearbox to the 4EFTE?

I have both pumps. All I need is to make it work so I am looking for the easiest way to swap. What should I do?

here’s some extra pictures of the engine. I confirm that I will use my manual  4EFE gearbox on the 4EFTE.

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You have an auto 4efte, what I know and have read is that the auto ecu works fine with a manual(needs conformation from someone with experience), you do need to swap the auto bits on the engine with a flywheel and clutch kit.

The blue green plug and solenoid is for the charcoal evap unit. solenoid and evap tank location. Not required to run, but I do not like to run one without it. First due to gasoline vapors coming into the engine bay. This system will create some pressure inside the fuel tank etc, due to a spring in the canister, not something to worry about this is normal.

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Here is a good video with a conversion. The good thing is that I have a manual car and I am converting the engine and keeping the manual gearbox. All I want to know is if I have to change the fly wheel and use the one in the manual f4EFE engine. I took a picture of the bridge he did on a connector to trick the ECU. I would like to know if the ECU map is going to work the same when using the automatic engine with a manual gearbox. 2B45437F-9666-4307-8188-FEB5443BC72F.thumb.jpeg.bb7c8efde364fccb291499247e1f48f2.jpeg


 

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15 hours ago, Sam44 said:

do you have a 4efte engine ecu ?.

Yes the engine is complete with ECU and fusebox loom. I want to match this loom with the Corolla before starting the swap. 
The difference between the steering wheel pump pipes is the connections and the length. The Corolla ones are longer. I need to find a way to match them but the best would be to keep the Corolla pipes and adapt them on the 4EFTE pump. If you need pictures of the Corolla bay I will send you more in case you don’t have diagrams.

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You will need your 4efe flywheel and a uprated clutch at least to cope with the extra torque. Would get a 4efte flywheel and exedy clutch or similar if you keep stock power. But if the funds do not allow it, you can run the 4efe flywheel and clutch, but they do not tend to cope well, with the new amount of torque. 

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1 minute ago, RoyalDutchie said:

You will need your 4efe flywheel and a uprated clutch at least to cope with the extra torque. Would get a 4efte flywheel and exedy clutch or similar if you keep stock power. But if the funds do not allow it, you can run the 4efe flywheel and clutch, but they do not tend to cope well, with the new amount of torque. 

Is the manual 4efe flywheel different than the 4efte?

I did buy 212 mm reinforced clutch. I will keep the 4EFE manual flywheel if it doesn’t make any difference. Let me know. Thank you. 

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3 minutes ago, Frankieflowers said:

Is the manual 4efe flywheel different than the 4efte?

I did buy 212 mm reinforced clutch. I will keep the 4EFE manual flywheel if it doesn’t make any difference. Let me know. Thank you. 

There is a size difference between both. The 4efte should be 212mm while the 4e is smaller? Let me check.

If it is correct the clutch you have won't fit the 4efe flywheel

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1 minute ago, Frankieflowers said:

Is the manual 4efe flywheel different than the 4efte?

I did buy 212 mm reinforced clutch. I will keep the 4EFE manual flywheel if it doesn’t make any difference. Let me know. Thank you. 

 

2 minutes ago, RoyalDutchie said:

There is a size difference between both. The 4efte should be 212mm while the 4e is smaller? Let me check.

If it is correct the clutch you have won't fit the 4efe flywheel

This is why I asked what clutch you bought.

The corolla manual flywheel is the same part number as the EP91 starlet 4efe flywheel and as the 4efte flywheel can be swapped with them it should be fine.

The 4efte clutch is 212mm and the corolla and starlet 4efe is 200mm so you need a 4efte flywheel or an uprated 4efe clutch to go with the flywheel you have.

Also I think the bolts for the auto flex plate are shorter than manual ones but I need to check the part numbers.

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43 minutes ago, Claymore said:

Also I think the bolts for the auto flex plate are shorter than manual ones but I need to check the part numbers.

Thank you. I need to be sure 4efe flywheel will fil the 4efte and the 212 mm clutch I bought for the 4efte. 

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45 minutes ago, Claymore said:

 

This is why I asked what clutch you bought.

The corolla manual flywheel is the same part number as the EP91 starlet 4efe flywheel and as the 4efte flywheel can be swapped with them it should be fine.

The 4efte clutch is 212mm and the corolla and starlet 4efe is 200mm so you need a 4efte flywheel or an uprated 4efe clutch to go with the flywheel you have.

Also I think the bolts for the auto flex plate are shorter than manual ones but I need to check the part numbers.

What’ s the OEM of the manual gearbox bolts for the flywheel? I need to be sure the bolts are going to be long enough when I put the 212 mm clutch on the 4efe flywheel in the 4efte. Thanks

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5 minutes ago, Frankieflowers said:

What’ s the OEM of the manual gearbox bolts for the flywheel? I need to be sure the bolts are going to be long enough when I put the 212 mm clutch on the 4efe flywheel in the 4efte. Thanks

90105-10138 x6 for the bolts

13405-11060 For 4efte flywheel

It is a good practice to replace the flywheel bolts. They cost around 1 euro depending on your Toyota dealer.

The clutch you have won't fit the 4efe flywheel 200mm not compatible with 212mm clutch

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1 hour ago, Claymore said:

Also I think the bolts for the auto flex plate are shorter than manual ones but I need to check the part numbers.

I was thinking about this and as I am using my 4EFE manual Gearbox I suppose that the balls for the fly wheel will be longer so there shouldn’t be a problem because I will get rid of the automatic flywheel. 
I attached the bolt option for the 4efte. I guess that I have the 1998. My Corolla for EFE is a 1998. Let me know what you think. Thank you. 
 

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Starle ep91  which one is on? It will matter if I use my 4EFE manual gearbox bolts?

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