4efte (turbo) In A Corolla 4efe

[miib14]

hi,

i wanted to know how hard would it be to turbo a corolla?

would it be easier to turbo the 4efe or to drop a 4efte?

roughly how much would it cost? need it as cheap as possible (bare in mind im a student lol)

many thanks

[Amjad]

It would definitely be cheaper just to buy an fte rather than turbo your engine, that's for sure. Not sure on how much it'd cost though, I think someone on TGTT has an fte'd AE101!

[miib14]

It would definitely be cheaper just to buy an fte rather than turbo your engine, that's for sure. Not sure on how much it'd cost though, I think someone on TGTT has an fte'd AE101!

thanks bro..

need rough prices though lol..

il have a look on tgtt...

[miib14]

If the blocks are the same (4EFE 4EFTE) would it make easier to swap all the internals, sump, clutch and g/box from the 4EFTE into the 4EFE

[miib14]

found this on AUSC

You have 2 options.

1: 4efte transplant from ep82 GT or glanza V (technically should only be from glanzaV)

2: 4efet (turbo your 4efe stocko engine)

Option 1 should give you 100kW at the fly

Option 2 should give you appx 135kW at the fly

First of all, differences / similarities between the turbo import engine and the stocko Aus engine:

Block is the same

Crank is the same

Cams are very similar, 1mm difference

EP91 fuel pump is stock supra fuel pump, -can support a large demand

No extra oil squirters

Compression ratio from 9.6 - 8.2 (Pistons slightly larger to make this)

4efte gearbox stronger

4efte connecting rods thicker

4efte clutch slightly stronger

4efte oil sump has oil return from turbo

4efte oil pump different

4efte crankpulley (harmonic stabiliser) substantially heavier

4efte drive shafts thicker

4efte supsension slightly different

4efte injectors larger to support boost

That being said, there are 4efe's that have been turbo charged and been running powerfully happy at 15psi for many km's

OPTION 1

Positives with transplant:

Bolt in fit

Fairly cheap

Should get some funky white Glanza V dials

Should be able to sell some parts for money if not needed

Should only be one - two days labour to drop everything

Goes fast

Negatives with transplant:

The engine could be in bad condition, it has happened in the past

Water pump / timing belt / fuel / oil filters / oil should be replaced

Transport of the half cut

Needs EPA tests and engineering to register

Expected Costs:

Half cuts range from $1500-$3500

$500 exhaust (cat, catback, muffler, fitting)

$40 Oil

$16 Spark plugs

$30 Fuel Filter

$7 Oil Filter

$65 Timing belt

$150 Water pump

$1000 labour (maybe cheaper if import is GlanzaV)

Free: EPA test

$120-$500 Engineers Certificate

Overall budget of transplant:

DIY: $3000-$4500

Pro: $4000-$5500

OPTION 2

Positives:

Will go crazy fast, much more power than stock CT9 4efte engine

Engine no. remains the same (no engineers cert / EPA test required)

Some items upgraded would have to be upgraded in transplant engine if more power was desired anyhow (such as intercooler, clutch etc)

Kit available with much success

Running higher compression will give better off boost performance

Negatives:

Cost

Gearbox has to be treated with more respect

Brakes aren't as great as import half cut

Many things are required to happen to do this upgrade

Expected Costs:

$300 2nd hand turbo

$3160 Comprehensive turbo kit (including ecu, manifold, lines, air filter, fuel regulator)

$1100 Turbo back exhaust (including dump, flex, cat, muffler, fitting)

$1275 Water / air intercooler (including piping, hoses, clamps etc)

$430 New clutch to hold the power

$300 Tune

$40 Turbo happy oil

$150 Injectors (such as 4agze)

Pro Installation:

$650 remove / install old / new turbo setup

$150 install water / air cooler

$250 clutch

Overall budget of 4efet

DIY: $6750

Pro: $7750

What corners you can cut:

Load preset on ECU by Dale, -$300 tune

Cheap 2nd hand intercooler + mild steel piping, -$600

Use stock clutch (will slip after 6psi), -$430

Cheapest budget cutting corners DIY: $5450

The difference in price is quite substantial, but so is the power output

After the conversion / turbo:

Further upgrades you can look at:

SUSPENSION! sway bars, camber kits, shocks, springs etc, very fun!

Even larger injectors

Fuel pump

Boost controllers

Limited slip differential

Engine internals

MORE boost wink.gif

More engineers cert's

[miib14]

so which option should i go for?

[Guest Enzo]

for ease the first one id say, would you be doing the work yourself?

[Asad]

Can go with either it's up to you, wiring and management are your deciding factors here all the metals the same in one way or another you'll need to have the car off the road for atleast 2-3 days for the wiring + engine work mabe more....as above who's dong the work? Have you thought about exhaust/intercooler?

[miib14]

me and my mates could do the engine bits but wiring is ..

is it possible to put 4efte in but use emanage and a piggyback ecu system?

was thinking of leaving is standard for the moment... with TMIC and custom exhaust...

want it running 160bhp...

[miib14]

anymore ideas?

[miib14]

was wondering if someone could have a look at this for me..

http://www.7tune.com/trd-2000/

its a corolla like mine with 3sge from st202..

done by TRD

was wondering if this possible?

if it is, would someone on here be able to this?

Thanks

ishaq

[Amjad]

The only 3SGTE converted thing I've seen is on TGTT, in a GT

Try asking Fensport? They've converted a Bug-eye to run a 3SGTE!

If you were to go 4efte, I'd just buy the engine whole and get someone to sort the looms out for you. Greddy EMB or another piggyback won't do anything if the engine doesn't run lol

Oh and that 'Rolla is awesome!

[miib14]

The only 3SGTE converted thing I've seen is on TGTT, in a GT

Try asking Fensport? They've converted a Bug-eye to run a 3SGTE!

If you were to go 4efte, I'd just buy the engine whole and get someone to sort the looms out for you. Greddy EMB or another piggyback won't do anything if the engine doesn't run lol

Oh and that 'Rolla is awesome!

lol i see what you mean..

who can do wiring?

how hard would it be?

thinking of doing it in november hopefully...

(3sgte is gt4 (turbo), the trd 2000 is 3sge from celica gt (non turbo))

[Amjad]

Dunno bro that was what was putting me off converting my N/A!

I think it is quite a fiddly job tbh, try PMing Jay, he converted both Phil's & Joz's cars.

Also I think Aze & Gaz@ Pukka offer a 4efte conversion service, you could ask them? They do Starlets, but I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard/different with a Corolla that shares the same engine?

[miib14]

will do

thanks bro..

[addz]

When I had my 5 door corolla G6, Fensport didn't want to touch my planned conversion from 4EFE to 4EFTE.

They said it wasn't worthy for them. I was rather disappointed at the time.

[miib14]

When I had my 5 door corolla G6, Fensport didn't want to touch my planned conversion from 4EFE to 4EFTE.

They said it wasn't worthy for them. I was rather disappointed at the time.

who would you recommend i go to?

need a good job for next to nothing really...

i know that wont be the case but never know lol

[BigMan]

i have both the interior loom and engine loom here for a turbo conversion but not sure if it would work at all with your corolla, engine loom might if your running a 4efte out a starlet.

[miib14]

it all depemds on the guy doing the conversion really...

prices too..

[Asad]

I could do it for you, in the summer after uni tho...

[miib14]

pmd you bro..

what loom would be better/easier for my car?

GT or Glanza?

[Frankieflowers]

On 9/20/2010 at 1:22 AM, Amjad said:

Dunno bro that was what was putting me off converting my N/A!

 

I think it is quite a fiddly job tbh, try PMing Jay, he converted both Phil's & Joz's cars.

 

Also I think Aze & Gaz@ Pukka offer a 4efte conversion service, you could ask them? They do Starlets, but I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard/different with a Corolla that shares the same engine?

@AZE@A&G_TUNING Hi. This post is old but was wondering if you ever swap a 4efte in a Corolla 1998 E11. Like the rally WRC European version. Thanks

[Frankieflowers]

On 9/18/2010 at 11:49 PM, miib14 said:

found this on AUSC

 

You have 2 options.

1: 4efte transplant from ep82 GT or glanza V (technically should only be from glanzaV)

2: 4efet (turbo your 4efe stocko engine)

 

Option 1 should give you 100kW at the fly

Option 2 should give you appx 135kW at the fly

 

First of all, differences / similarities between the turbo import engine and the stocko Aus engine:

Block is the same

Crank is the same

Cams are very similar, 1mm difference

EP91 fuel pump is stock supra fuel pump, -can support a large demand

No extra oil squirters

 

Compression ratio from 9.6 - 8.2 (Pistons slightly larger to make this)

4efte gearbox stronger

4efte connecting rods thicker

4efte clutch slightly stronger

4efte oil sump has oil return from turbo

4efte oil pump different

4efte crankpulley (harmonic stabiliser) substantially heavier

4efte drive shafts thicker

4efte supsension slightly different

4efte injectors larger to support boost

 

That being said, there are 4efe's that have been turbo charged and been running powerfully happy at 15psi for many km's

 

 

OPTION 1

 

Positives with transplant:

Bolt in fit

Fairly cheap

Should get some funky white Glanza V dials

Should be able to sell some parts for money if not needed

Should only be one - two days labour to drop everything

Goes fast

 

Negatives with transplant:

The engine could be in bad condition, it has happened in the past

Water pump / timing belt / fuel / oil filters / oil should be replaced

Transport of the half cut

Needs EPA tests and engineering to register

 

Expected Costs:

Half cuts range from $1500-$3500

$500 exhaust (cat, catback, muffler, fitting)

$40 Oil

$16 Spark plugs

$30 Fuel Filter

$7 Oil Filter

$65 Timing belt

$150 Water pump

$1000 labour (maybe cheaper if import is GlanzaV)

Free: EPA test

$120-$500 Engineers Certificate

 

Overall budget of transplant:

DIY: $3000-$4500

Pro: $4000-$5500

 

 

OPTION 2

 

Positives:

Will go crazy fast, much more power than stock CT9 4efte engine

Engine no. remains the same (no engineers cert / EPA test required)

Some items upgraded would have to be upgraded in transplant engine if more power was desired anyhow (such as intercooler, clutch etc)

Kit available with much success

Running higher compression will give better off boost performance

 

Negatives:

Cost

Gearbox has to be treated with more respect

Brakes aren't as great as import half cut

Many things are required to happen to do this upgrade

 

Expected Costs:

$300 2nd hand turbo

$3160 Comprehensive turbo kit (including ecu, manifold, lines, air filter, fuel regulator)

$1100 Turbo back exhaust (including dump, flex, cat, muffler, fitting)

$1275 Water / air intercooler (including piping, hoses, clamps etc)

$430 New clutch to hold the power

$300 Tune

$40 Turbo happy oil

$150 Injectors (such as 4agze)

 

 

Pro Installation:

$650 remove / install old / new turbo setup

$150 install water / air cooler

$250 clutch

 

Overall budget of 4efet

DIY: $6750

Pro: $7750

 

What corners you can cut:

Load preset on ECU by Dale, -$300 tune

Cheap 2nd hand intercooler + mild steel piping, -$600

Use stock clutch (will slip after 6psi), -$430

Cheapest budget cutting corners DIY: $5450

 

The difference in price is quite substantial, but so is the power output

 

 

 

After the conversion / turbo:

 

Further upgrades you can look at:

SUSPENSION! sway bars, camber kits, shocks, springs etc, very fun!

Even larger injectors

Fuel pump

Boost controllers

Limited slip differential

Engine internals

MORE boost wink.gif

More engineers cert's

@sam44 have you seen this old post? What do you think?

[Sam44]

Waw a ae101 3sge. I remember these fighting and winning the B18 hondas in jap touring cars I had no idea they used this 2ltr engine what a car. 

http://www.7tune.com/trd-2000/