Big end and main bearing sizes

[patman]

I rang up toyota today to get my bearing set, he checked for me and said the are 3 different types as in 1,2 and 3 I need a standard set for my gt turbo does anyone understand any of this I looked at the clearences from link below its a case of do I order shell set 1,2 or 3 from toyota

http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums/showthread.php?27569-4EFTE-Torque-Specs

Thankyou Pat

[Phil]

I rang up toyota today to get my bearing set, he checked for me and said the are 3 different types as in 1,2 and 3 I need a standard set for my gt turbo does anyone understand any of this I looked at the clearences from link below its a case of do I order shell set 1,2 or 3 from toyota

http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums/showthread.php?27569-4EFTE-Torque-Specs

Thankyou Pat

If your asking what i think you are asking then.. you need to get a micrometer or engineer to take a look at your crank and tell you what size you need.

Phil

[patman]

Thankyou Phil all I know is my crank is standard size no regrind etc it's had a polish etc before engines going back in but Jesus Christ this is getting hard work now trying to find out what sizes I need the bloke at toyota hasn't a clue

[patman]

The crank for ends and main are 43 (I will double check when next down the unit) so that's means looking at the link chart I will need std mk 1 shells?

Edited October 6, 2014 by patman

[mork]

The caps have the size stamped into them. At least mine did, #2.

[patman]

That's true mate but if my crankshaft has been measured at 43 which is standard size I need to know what big end/main bearings to get 1,2 or 3

[5e colin]

then you have to measure the block to !!! fit the cap ( crank caps ) back on and tighten and check how big the hole is only then you can find out wish size you need best to let the engineer do it

the conrod bearing caps have it stamped on them 4e and 5e

if it was a 5e then its easy for the crank bearings there stamped on block and crank hey hey happy days :)

[patman]

Hello mate so basically I am putting one crank cap on? Or all 5 and tighten them to the torque setting spec, and that will give me what shell I will need (and for rod shells too) obviously with using the correct measurement tools? A micrometer or feeler gauge?

Edited October 6, 2014 by patman

[5e colin]

al main caps need to go back on there nrd 1 to 5 in order then you measure the holes 1 by 1 and write it down you need special tool for that !!!!

( why i say the above ??? is becouse there not al the same size and crank journals arnt al the same size neither

then measure the crank journals if you measure them correctly you can check the spec sheet for the bearing size and see if your still in spec

there ya go

4E-FTE Engine Service Specifications.

Cylinder Head:

Warpage limit (block side) 0.05mm

Warpage limit (Manifold side) 0.05mm

Intake manifold:

Warpage limit 0.1mm

Exhaust manifold:

Warpage limit 0.2mm

Cylinder block:

Surface warpage limit 0.05mm

Bore diameters:

STD mark 1 = 74.000-74.010mm

STD mark 2 = 74.010mm-74.020mm

STD mark 3 = 74.020mm-74.030mm

Limit before rebore = 74.23mm

Piston diameter:

STD mark 1 = 73.900-73.910mm

STD mark 2 = 73.910mm-73.020mm

STD mark 3 = 73.920mm-73.930mm

Piston to oil clearance:

STD = 0.09-0.11mm

Limit = 0.13mm

Piston ring groove clearance:

Top ring = 0.04-0.08mm

2nd ring = 0.03-0.07mm

Piston ring end gap:

Top ring (STD) = 0.26-0.36mm

Top ring (Limit) = 0.95mm

2nd ring (STD) = 0.15-0.30mm

2nd ring (Limit) = 0.90mm

Oil control ring (STD) = 0.13-0.38mm

Oil control ring (Limit) = 0.98mm

Con-rods:

Thrust clearance (STD) = 0.15-0.35mm

Thrust clearance (Limit) = 0.45mm

Big-end inner diameter:

STD mark 1 = 43.000-43.007mm

STD mark 2 = 43.007-43.014mm

STD mark 3 = 43.014-43.021mm

U/S 0.25 = 43.000-43.021mm

Rod bearing centre wall thickness:

STD mark 1 = 1.487-1.491mm

STD mark 2 = 1.491-1.495mm

STD mark 3 = 1.495-1.499mm

U/S 0.25 = 1.607-1.613mm

Con-rod oil clearance:

STD = 0.016-0.048mm

Limit = 0.08mm

Maximum allowable bend in rod per 100mm = 0.03mm

Maximum allowable twist in rod per 100mm = 0.05mm

Crankshaft thrust clearance:

STD = 0.02-0.20mm

Limit = 0.30mm

Main journal oil clearance:

STD = 0.016-0.049mm

U/S 0.25 = 0.017-0.061mm

Limit = 0.08mm

Main journal diameter:

STD mark 0 = 46.995-47.000mm

STD mark 1 = 46.990-46.995mm

STD mark 2 = 46.985-46.990mm

Main bearing centre wall thickness:

STD mark 1 = 1.995-1.999mm

STD mark 2 = 1.999-2.003mm

STD mark 3 = 2.003-2.007mm

STD mark 4 = 2.007-2.011mm

STD mark 5 = 2.011-2.015mm

U/S 0.25 = 2.115-2.123mm

Crank pin diameter:

STD = 39.985-40.000mm

U/S 0.25 = 39.745-39.755mm

Limit = 0.06mm

Circle runout (Limit) = 0.06mm

Main journal taper and out-of-round (Limit) = 0.02mm

Crank pin taper and out-of-round (Limit) = 0.02mm

Torque settings:

Cylinder head bolt:

First 36ftlb

Second - turn 90 degrees in same sequence

Cylinder head to camshaft bearing cap:

9ftlb

Cylinder head to intake manifold:

14ftlb

Cylinder head to exhaust manifold:

35ftlb

Cylinder head to water outlet housing:

13ftlb

Cylinder head to Cylinder head cover:

61inlb ** note inch pounds, not foot pounds! **

Camshaft to Camshaft timing pulley:

37ftlb

Cylinder block to crankshaft bearing cap:

42ftlb

Cylinder block to rear main oil seal retainer:

65inlb ** again note inch pounds **

Cylinder block to oil filter union:

18ftlb

Crankshaft to flywheel:

65ftlb

Con-rod cap to con-rod:

29ftlb (18ftlb then +90 degrees)

Oil pump pulley to drive rotor:

27ftlb

[russ78]

al main caps need to go back on there nrd 1 to 5 in order then you measure the holes 1 by 1 and write it down you need special tool for that !!!!

( why i say the above ??? is becouse there not al the same size and crank journals arnt al the same size neither

then measure the crank journals if you measure them correctly you can check the spec sheet for the bearing size and see if your still in spec

there ya go

4E-FTE Engine Service Specifications.

Cylinder Head:

Warpage limit (block side) 0.05mm

Warpage limit (Manifold side) 0.05mm

Intake manifold:

Warpage limit 0.1mm

Exhaust manifold:

Warpage limit 0.2mm

Cylinder block:

Surface warpage limit 0.05mm

Bore diameters:

STD mark 1 = 74.000-74.010mm

STD mark 2 = 74.010mm-74.020mm

STD mark 3 = 74.020mm-74.030mm

Limit before rebore = 74.23mm

Piston diameter:

STD mark 1 = 73.900-73.910mm

STD mark 2 = 73.910mm-73.020mm

STD mark 3 = 73.920mm-73.930mm

Piston to oil clearance:

STD = 0.09-0.11mm

Limit = 0.13mm

Piston ring groove clearance:

Top ring = 0.04-0.08mm

2nd ring = 0.03-0.07mm

Piston ring end gap:

Top ring (STD) = 0.26-0.36mm

Top ring (Limit) = 0.95mm

2nd ring (STD) = 0.15-0.30mm

2nd ring (Limit) = 0.90mm

Oil control ring (STD) = 0.13-0.38mm

Oil control ring (Limit) = 0.98mm

Con-rods:

Thrust clearance (STD) = 0.15-0.35mm

Thrust clearance (Limit) = 0.45mm

Big-end inner diameter:

STD mark 1 = 43.000-43.007mm

STD mark 2 = 43.007-43.014mm

STD mark 3 = 43.014-43.021mm

U/S 0.25 = 43.000-43.021mm

Rod bearing centre wall thickness:

STD mark 1 = 1.487-1.491mm

STD mark 2 = 1.491-1.495mm

STD mark 3 = 1.495-1.499mm

U/S 0.25 = 1.607-1.613mm

Con-rod oil clearance:

STD = 0.016-0.048mm

Limit = 0.08mm

Maximum allowable bend in rod per 100mm = 0.03mm

Maximum allowable twist in rod per 100mm = 0.05mm

Crankshaft thrust clearance:

STD = 0.02-0.20mm

Limit = 0.30mm

Main journal oil clearance:

STD = 0.016-0.049mm

U/S 0.25 = 0.017-0.061mm

Limit = 0.08mm

Main journal diameter:

STD mark 0 = 46.995-47.000mm

STD mark 1 = 46.990-46.995mm

STD mark 2 = 46.985-46.990mm

Main bearing centre wall thickness:

STD mark 1 = 1.995-1.999mm

STD mark 2 = 1.999-2.003mm

STD mark 3 = 2.003-2.007mm

STD mark 4 = 2.007-2.011mm

STD mark 5 = 2.011-2.015mm

U/S 0.25 = 2.115-2.123mm

Crank pin diameter:

STD = 39.985-40.000mm

U/S 0.25 = 39.745-39.755mm

Limit = 0.06mm

Circle runout (Limit) = 0.06mm

Main journal taper and out-of-round (Limit) = 0.02mm

Crank pin taper and out-of-round (Limit) = 0.02mm

Torque settings:

Cylinder head bolt:

First 36ftlb

Second - turn 90 degrees in same sequence

Cylinder head to camshaft bearing cap:

9ftlb

Cylinder head to intake manifold:

14ftlb

Cylinder head to exhaust manifold:

35ftlb

Cylinder head to water outlet housing:

13ftlb

Cylinder head to Cylinder head cover:

61inlb ** note inch pounds, not foot pounds! **

Camshaft to Camshaft timing pulley:

37ftlb

Cylinder block to crankshaft bearing cap:

42ftlb

Cylinder block to rear main oil seal retainer:

65inlb ** again note inch pounds **

Cylinder block to oil filter union:

18ftlb

Crankshaft to flywheel:

65ftlb

Con-rod cap to con-rod:

29ftlb (18ftlb then +90 degrees)

Oil pump pulley to drive rotor:

27ftlb

this needs to be pinned or wiki'd most useful piece of information ive seen on ukso for long time,

hats off to you colin im impressed

[Phil]

this needs to be pinned or wiki'd most useful piece of information ive seen on ukso for long time,

hats off to you colin im impressed

Thats straight from toyotagtturbo lol

Phil

[russ78]

Thats straight from toyotagtturbo lol

Phil

haha ill take that back thn colin but still should be adopted by ukso so much useful info there

[5e colin]

Thats straight from toyotagtturbo lol

Phil

:) my 2nd home

[5e colin]

haha ill take that back thn colin but still should be adopted by ukso so much useful info there

bollox why i already did my share for the site ha ha :-p

[patman]

If your asking what i think you are asking then.. you need to get a micrometer or engineer to take a look at your crank and tell you what size you need.

Phil

Hello Phil he did give me a bit of paper and on it, it said mains 43 ends 43 if this means anythings that's after it had a polish as didn't need a regrind as got another crank, as my original one was a mess 👍

[patman]

Colin mate I'm beginning to think your a toyota starlet guru your always on to most things I have noticed, and your an absolute star for helping me out and others out, I don't know what other people do when putting an engine back together esoecially when it comes to the clearances etc etc it's just thrown me when toyota and as stated

in the link what standard mk bearings I need 1, 2 or 3 and I certainly don't wanna pick and hope for the best needs to be spot on,

So what I will do is put the caps back on 1 to 5 and torque them up to what the spec says then get a micrometer and measure the hole inside write them down ( will put the results in here) is this correct please?

Then I will put the ROD caps back on and torque them to the right spec and measure the gap in them, write them down and post them in here is that correct please?

[5e colin]

yes you can do that but make sure to measure right patman

[patman]

With all the help your giving me mate dam right it's gonna be measured right, this is what messed the rebuild up first time round I can't afford to have it done again, will have I wait till Monday now to do it well I won't be my mechanic will 👍

[patman]

Hello lads just been doing the measuring for these bearings:

crankshaft mains are 47.00mm std

Big ends crankshaft (rods) are 40.00mm std

Main bearings diameter on all 5 is 45.9mm (almost 46.00mm)

Rod ends diameter on all 4 are 43.00mm

Please could someone tell me which size bearings I need please mk 1, 2 or 3 for big end and mains I would so appericate this in a big way

Thanks Pat

Edited October 13, 2014 by patman

[5e colin]

i need tighter measurements then that you only have thents and hundrerds !!!! we need the measurements in thousands patman like 45.995

you need a finer gauge to measure

you see where you say ere """"" Main bearings diameter on all 5 is 45.9mm (almost 46.00mm)!!!! in that 45.9 to 46 is a tent and 5 different or more sizes bearing will fit in that thent !!!

[5e colin]

you need 1 of these for crank measurements

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RDGTOOLS-25-50MM-1-2-DIGITAL-MICROMETER-METRIC-IMPERIAL-MEASURING-TOOLS-/371089034947?pt=UK_Measuring_Tools_Levels&hash=item5666a14ec3

cant find a bore gauge for our size on egay sorry

[patman]

Thankyou Colin mate now I need to know what exact gauge I need to do this if anyone has any ideas

The bloke from the engineering shop gave me:

Mains on crankshaft 47.00mm

Big ends on crankshaft 40.00mm

Rod bore 43.00mm

Maybe he has just rounded off to the nearest hundreds as you said not thousands? So it's a case now of what gauge I need to get 👍

[patman]

Jesus seems a lot of money just for a gauge this is getting headache material now

[patman]

Jesus seems a lot of money just for a gauge this is getting headache material now

[5e colin]

Thankyou Colin mate now I need to know what exact gauge I need to do this if anyone has any ideas

The bloke from the engineering shop gave me:

Mains on crankshaft 47.00mm

Big ends on crankshaft 40.00mm

Rod bore 43.00mm

Maybe he has just rounded off to the nearest hundreds as you said not thousands? So it's a case now of what gauge I need to get

really an engineer told you them measurements jeeeeeeeez thats no good patman

there never all the same size anyways , thats why we have difernt sizes to go in has the engineer rebuild a engine before ?????? because he should not of given them short measurements attal