Hey phil, thanks for the links. Sorry I obviously haven't got an email notification to your replies on this thread so I've only just seen your messages! Don't worry about forwarding me links now. I decided to go for the black faced greddy ones in the end (warning/memory ones), had a couple of mint ones shipped from America the other week. Thankfully wasn't stung for imports taxs. I'm going to make do with black faced greddy oil temp and pressure, and my black faced aem wideband for my 3 gauges. Given up hope with the apexi, tho now you've found one, lol, dam. Doesn't included sensor and sensor wiring tho, which could be a problem!