Wow, i never thought that something like this could turn so ugly so soon. All i know is that i don't have £7 to pay someone else so that i might be heard within a group. I think its been a long time coming, charging for tgtt.com. However i do feel that within the "group" more could and can be done. Why does everyone seem to think that (and i mean NO disrespect with this, so no shots at me people!) Macker etc have the sole rights on the Starlet forum idea. Its the internet people. Anyone that can right HTML code can make a forum and YOU can pay for it (that would be very nice of you by the way lol). So what i'm getting at is that if everyone wants to start a real, paying, hardcore. Starlet group with discounts on insurance etc. Go for it. You never know Macker with the rest of the TGTT.com staff and the UKSC.com crew might already be planning to join forces. This could make one of the largest groups out there. Just needs time and a good set of heads to think this one through. Just a thought, think of 200+ starlets all at the beach in the summer (yes not this year!) with 20 or so BBQ's glowing away. Thats a nice family atmosphere, i think everyone would agree with? stu