thank you all very much for your help yea i kind of made a mess of it. civic's are set up to lift of over steer so you can point the front end into a corner more agresively however me being tight and purchasing some cheap tyres to run at santa pod instead of my usual yokohama advan's it kind of steped out to the point of no return once i pulled it back and floored it to pull it out of the snake game over railing's good car lot's of fun but once i have done one i try summin different and like i said really hooked on the starlet at the moe, yea the reason for me asking about the difference is i my plan is to get a starlet drop it on some 5zigen FN01R 15' by 7s in black, tein coilover's, front strut brace if i can find one a full rear cage strip the interior out bucket's and takkata harneses full system and induction kit, i like the galanza T bumper's and side skirt's along with the spoiler and front black headlight's but wont to keep the orange indicator's i am into the JDM look, in the future i would like to drop a turbo lump in it, but to start of with n asp power till i sort insurance and my money out had a lot in the civic and not getting much back out of it