But if you have put time and money into it over the years and have provided a FREE service for so long while others have charged....there shouldn't even be a debate over charging a little. Kinda pathetic tbh when everyone can afford so much to mod there cars...starlets are a money pit...£10 for the forum is pennies! Also, if you want to 'get something back' from it...YOU ARE ENTITLED TO!! the site is huge now, Geo - you just have to decide want you charge so that it doesnt affect new members etc. I nice to have a discussion about it, and i understand the problem traders may have, but everyone should be behind geo no matter what - he isn't going to do something that harms the site. Free stuff is cool and would be nice but you don't HAVE to.....the advice, how-to guides and experience is worth the fee by itself! Mike