chr15_7_t_ Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 just wondering what sort of numbers id be looking at if i done this..i got a ported turboa front mounted filterthings to get..hks actuatorfront mount intercoolerstainles mani and decatelectronic boost controllerand a posible re-mapim looking to hopefuly get 200..im not wanting to go over 200 id rather keep it on the safe side....do you think its posible with that mods? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curtis Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 sparky made 190bhp with pretty much the same mods but he had a emb, i wouldn't recommend aiming for 200bhp without management or your engine will go pop Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TRD Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Basic rule in attaining 200 BHP + !!! Get a forged engine. Always be on the safe side, otherwise you'll end hearing the pistons grinding the block and Pop pop, vraaaaah pop no more engine. LolI would reckon 175-185 BHP with this set up and depending on mapping for the 200 bhp. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chr15_7_t_ Posted September 6, 2009 Author Share Posted September 6, 2009 what do you recomend is a safe number before i have to look an engine management? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curtis Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 standard boost level for safety Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4efte_ryan Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 i would say 0.8bar of boost is safe with management Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curtis Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 dont think he is gettin management yet bud, you wont be able to run that much more than standerd to be honest as you will hit fuel cut. if you want to evenually try and get 200bhp i would definatly get a 255ltr fuel pump and a rrfpr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4efte_ryan Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 dont think he is gettin management yet bud, you wont be able to run that much more than standerd to be honest as you will hit fuel cut. if you want to evenually try and get 200bhp i would definatly get a 255ltr fuel pump and a rrfprlol didnt read the thread properly, so yea standard boost if the car is completely standard, was you up southend last night? was up in the evo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curtis Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 lol fair enough, nah didn't go out last night i feel like shit to be honest Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chr15_7_t_ Posted September 6, 2009 Author Share Posted September 6, 2009 so runing it on 0.8bar of boost would only be considerd if i get sum management?what do you think i could get outo it bhp wise with the list that i put up if i keept the boost at 0.65 i think it is? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 As said you wont get 200hp without headwork at least.I made 185hp and185ft/lbs of torque on teh stardard turbo @ 1 bar.For anything over 0.8bar you will need fuel cut removed and fuelling mods to suit.But the best way is to get a piggy back ECU and map it.I have a ported turbo and HKS actuator for sale Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chr15_7_t_ Posted September 6, 2009 Author Share Posted September 6, 2009 i already got a ported turbo mate:)..wat you askn for the actuator?so bout 180bhp would be a good figure to aim for? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Glanza-Love Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 With your spec you can run a bar no problem... you will hit fuel cut though.. and no doubt get boost creepwith that spec youll be hitting 180's, for 200bhp you dont have to forge.people are in fairy land if they think you gota forge for just 200.. if you intend to go harder than 200..ie td04l which would give you an output about 250's you will then have to concider forge or running the car on low boost at this power your starting to heat the pistons more.. and more liable to melting one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glanza97 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 With your spec you can run a bar no problem... you will hit fuel cut though.. and no doubt get boost creepwith that spec youll be hitting 180's, for 200bhp you dont have to forge.people are in fairy land if they think you gota forge for just 200.. if you intend to go harder than 200..ie td04l which would give you an output about 250's you will then have to concider forge or running the car on low boost at this power your starting to heat the pistons more.. and more liable to melting one.This is well worth a look for you... http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34351 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Glanza-Love Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 You mean to tell chris its worth a look...seeing though i have 200bhp spec'd car.. and 99% of all detaild on that list already.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve GT Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 dont think he is gettin management yet bud, you wont be able to run that much more than standerd to be honest as you will hit fuel cut. if you want to evenually try and get 200bhp i would definatly get a 255ltr fuel pump and a rrfprRRFPR's are considered a crude way of removing fuel cut along with an FCD. id deffo reccomend plug in and playWith your spec you can run a bar no problem... you will hit fuel cut though.. and no doubt get boost creepwith that spec youll be hitting 180's, for 200bhp you dont have to forge.people are in fairy land if they think you gota forge for just 200.. if you intend to go harder than 200..ie td04l which would give you an output about 250's you will then have to concider forge or running the car on low boost at this power your starting to heat the pistons more.. and more liable to melting one.^^Pretty much summed it all up there to be honestIf your looking for 200bhp the easiest way along with supporting mods is a hybrid. if you dont want a hybrid your looking at all stage one mods, turn boost up to 1bar and some kinda management im afraid bud. you really do have to spend the money if you want the extra power. without the management it wont really fuel the car very well for 200bhp power. deffo consider management mate its the way forward lol oh and there really is no need to forge the engine if you dont want. its expensive and definiatly not essential. the standard internals will hack 200bhp easily. agreed it is a good thing to do but not essential lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chr15_7_t_ Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 geting to 200bhp is a bit more expensive than i thought then...would i need to worry about management at around 180bhp?if i dont wats the best way to reach that?thanks for alll the help Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobSR Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 You don't need a mappable engine management system for 1bar ct9. As long as you have some sort of fuel control and there's enough fuel in it, it's not going to go pop. For 1bar ct9 a FPR and Safc will do the job fine on the fuelling side of things. Although you won't make as much power as you would with proper mappable management as a safc can't controll timing.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
200sx-Starlet-Jay Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 im attempting to break the 200bp mark with my build ive got going on.but for 180 safe:-definatly a mani back exhaust.. standard mani is bad for number 3 piston, when uping boost. so decat/oversized pipe ect...-after market actuator, as the standard one cannot be tuned-ported wastegate as you will get creep with the stock ct9-a boost controller, a manual will do the job fine, and are cheep enough.-at least an uprated fuel pump-front mounted filter, and intercooler-most importantly, managment. from a straight aftermarket plug and play ecu like a JAM or a blitz etc.. or the safer option which is guna get you more power as well, is an emanage blue. to be honest you get get an emanage blue and mapping for about the same price as an aftermarket plug and play.. so you might as well save the few extra pennies.ive spent a good 2k on mine though, including buying the engine.. so if i dont make 200bhp with it, i may well hang myself lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobSR Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 You won't really get creep on the ct9 when using a 2" downpipe.. It's when you go for a 2.5" (which is the bore literally everyone goes for) you start to get problems with creep... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chr15_7_t_ Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 so without management..i already have a ported turbo and a front mount filter... but having a 2" downpipe, s/s mani, aftermarket actuator, ebc and a front mount what do you think would be a sensible figure? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TRD Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 With your spec you can run a bar no problem... you will hit fuel cut though.. and no doubt get boost creepwith that spec youll be hitting 180's, for 200bhp you dont have to forge.people are in fairy land if they think you gota forge for just 200.. if you intend to go harder than 200..ie td04l which would give you an output about 250's you will then have to concider forge or running the car on low boost at this power your starting to heat the pistons more.. and more liable to melting one. i would never push a 1.3 engine to 200 bhp, it wont stand even an hour on the track and i think i said basic rule for 200BHP +, i put the +( plus)...Or maybe you're right i'm in a fairy land driving my 420 bhp pulsar.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TRD Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 so without management..i already have a ported turbo and a front mount filter... but having a 2" downpipe, s/s mani, aftermarket actuator, ebc and a front mount what do you think would be a sensible figure? 180 BHP by pushing to the limit.....If you want the 200 bhp go for the ECU mate and remap, bigger injectors and hope you dont pop the small 4EFTE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
200sx-Starlet-Jay Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 well there is no point in gettin the aftermarket actuator and boost controller if ure guna go for stock levels, because without fueling mods, some way of removing fuel cut.. i realy would avoid it. wen it comes down to uping the boost, its all or nothing to get a good stable safe boost level im afraid. you just gota choose whether to bite the bullet or not!but if ure interested, i have an EBC for sale, with a hi lo boost switch so you can revert to stock boost levels to keep ure engine safe when not giving it a poke! let me know if your interested. £95 delivered and its new.Jay Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chr15_7_t_ Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 what if i was to add an uprated fuel pump and a fcd? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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