chr15_7_t_ Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 wat would the diference be? would it be worth it if i can get mani and decat for about £350 then the turbo of a mate then however much the water and oil lines are Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Asad Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Both would be at the limit on standard internals @ 1bar i`d imagine, and the CT-9 wont last very long......have a read around Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marck glanza V Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 hope this helps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 CT9 @ 1 bar = 180+hp with supporting modsTD04 @ 1 bar = 200+hp with the same supporting mods Obviosuly being alarger turbo there will be more lag on the TD04 but once she is spooled it will pull alot harder and hold boost better to teh redline Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve GT Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 yeh as lew said td04 produces more power and better top end boost while the ct9 will be on its boost limit at 1 bar but kicks in straight away. if we bring a hybrid in that will be better spool and can be set to 1.2 bar on standard internals though and will give you 200-220bhp with supporting mods though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chr15_7_t_ Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 i have to get a td04 after watching that lol..i dont want to go over 1bar im happy with that..and just out of curiosity what would be the expected bhp with suporting mods if i was to run one at .8 bar?what else would i need to run at 1bar..turbomanidownpipewater and oil linesfcdshould i get biger injectors and if so size?ive got a fpr just havnt fiited it as i have no need as my engine will be standard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ricky@Race-Tech Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 The amount of boost you run doesn't determin the power output. The TD04 will be much quicker than the CT9 as it's a bigger turbo, but at the cost of extra lag.You will need a lot more than just a "td04 kit" though, i.e. exhaust, FMIC, ECU. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 You will need an actuator to control the boost or external wastegate and the correct manifold.If you go for the actuator option you will need a half size radiator as the stock rad will be in the way.Ditch the FCD and FPR and get a piggy back ECU (or standalone if fund allow) then get it mapped. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chr15_7_t_ Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 what is the standard preset boost for td04? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ricky@Race-Tech Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 what is the standard preset boost for td04?Depends on which you get, but usually about 0.6-0.7 bar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chr15_7_t_ Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 the mods i would be running to suport the td04 that i alredy have are...a/b fmicj+p(i think) front air filterand i would hesitate to gues the exhaust is either 2" or 2 1/2 " straight through Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chr15_7_t_ Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 if i was to put that on without any mods the now then work on it while its on.. eg uprating fuel then ecu..would it be ok with standard fueling and ecu? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scot-ish Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 it would be ok, but not advised, i know of a VF8 runnin 0.5 bar on standard fueling Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chr15_7_t_ Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 what kind o numbers would i be looking at with the td04 at 0.7 boost(standard td04), fmic, fmaf , exhaust Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blair Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 sure its posted somewhere by Geo:for every 1bar of boost added, it will give you an additional 100bhp, generally speaking, dependent on various factors, but just roughly...so 0.7 should give an increase of 70bhp...is this right lads?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve GT Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 yeh I've seen that somewhere il have a quick look in the wiki section now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve GT Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 all i can find is this"For every bar of pressure, you are in theory doubling your engine capacity. So if you turbo a 1.3ltr on 1 bar (14.6 psi) then already your ahead with a 2.6ltr engine."link Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jae-Glanza Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Very interesting read =]Just to sum up, is there anything else i would with this setup to be running 180 mark?CatbackManiDecatHks filterRx7 tmicEmanage Bluehks actuator/fcd/uprated fueling?With these mods and a good map, will i be running around 180? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blair Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 thanks mate...thought it might of been something like that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve GT Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 with a mani, decat and cat back, relocated air filter to the front, plug and play/emanage ecu, actuator set to 1 bar and a fmic you'll hit 180 easy dude Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jae-Glanza Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 with a mani, decat and cat back, relocated air filter to the front, plug and play/emanage ecu, actuator set to 1 bar and a fmic you'll hit 180 easy dudeWhen i bought my rx7 tmic, i read they would be good for 200bhp. So with the spec you listed, but replacing the fmic with the rx7 one, still reach 180 matey? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chr15_7_t_ Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 so would it be ok to run a td04 at 0.7 bar on standard fueling and ecu?but im not botherd about the lag as im not one for racing lol.im just wanting to put the td04 on then start uprating other areas once it is on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 hope this helps sorry that video is so flawed i remember the two guys gee and the guy that was racing even saying it was biased. becuase of the spec. the 82 was not running a bar.a tdo4 at..7bar out of its efficiency range and would come across as laggy,if i had to pic between the two at one bar id pic a hybrid ct9 every timeobviusly theres alot more potential for more power with a tdo4 but then forging comes into the equiation, i take it your going down that route,my advice to you when speking the turbo is find out how much power you are after then find the turbo aplication that best suites that power goal answering your question though you should be ok at that pressure on stock fualing but it would be advised to get a fualing check done to make sure at the time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chr15_7_t_ Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 as i have my old engine im looking at forging that over a period of time so if i was to put the td04 on my current engine then i could just swap it over once it is finished Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve GT Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 id forge your old engine and get everything built up outside the car including the td04 etc and for now just run your standard ct9 on your current car. for the sake of 0.7 bar of boost a td04 wont be able to perform to the high boost pressures its designed forjust seems to be a bit of a waste running the td04 at 0.7 bar when the ct9's well capable of performing much better and quicker at this pressure lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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