EPnick22 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 as above ^^ as i know some pistons have different pin type, my wisecos have press fit pins with c-clips either end to hold them in Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TurboTobz Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 They fit lovely on Pauters, and they are possibly the best off the shelf combo. I can confirm they fit as I had a set. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TurboTobz Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I wasn't actually aware of this pin difference could you explain it a little I'm guessing it's the gudgeon pin? May help prevent others from making mistakes. Ah and Pauters don't require block machining Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) They fit lovely on Pauters, and they are possibly the best off the shelf combo. I can confirm they fit as I had a set. Agree with this. What Wiseco's have you got as mine are just a push fit and retain using the circlips. They fit with stock rods, but unsure on other aftermarket rods tbh. I doubt they will fit with PEC rods as they are a manufacturer of Wossner, but that said I haven't heard of it before, everyone seems to use Wossner and PEC as a combo, or Wiseco and Scat. Edited August 23, 2013 by AdamB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fozzie Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 They fit with stock rods, but unsure on other aftermarket rods tbh.He said in another thread that the Wiseco didn't fit the stock rods though, which seems to be the opposite of what everyone else says?Bit concerning as I was planning on using Wiseco pistons with my FHE rods... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EPnick22 Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 Ive had people tell me you can, then other people who know more about building engines talked to Tim @ TBdevelopments he said you cant. plus forged rods have brass bushings for and oil holes in the small ends of the rods, stock rods dont, cause the pin isnt supposed to pivot, you cant have steel pin rotating in a steel rod (stock rods have no bushing). The stock pistons have oil holes in the bottoms inside the crown to lube the pin that pivots in the piston whereas forged pistons have no holes as the pin pivots in the rod, not the piston! if that makes sense haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fozzie Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 ...I just want forged pistons that'll fit FHE rods, ahh I'm so confused lol. I'm sure it's been done before though so what pistons did they use?? :/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I've seen over in threads on TGTT before saying that the Wiseco's fit stock rods. I'm just trawlling through the Jamaican's thread now as I'm sure they switched to forged pistons but kept the FHE rods because of their thickness and strength due to their limited supplies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EPnick22 Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 tbh even if they did fit i dont think theyd last due to having a steel pin pivoting on a steel rod little end! thatd cause all sorts of problems, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TurboTobz Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Get onto pauter you won't regret it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EPnick22 Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 ill look into it mate cheers, how much do they cost? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TurboTobz Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Off the too of my head $850 area that's USD. A little on the expensive side, but if you factor in the money you'll be saving on not having your block machined it's not so bad. They are a tad more superior that the rest of the common 4efte rods Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Not as much as Carillo They are quite expensive around £520 I think, more expensive than the rest, but I can confirm, Wiseco pistons and Pauter rods fit like a glove and they are beautiful! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EPnick22 Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 ahh i do like the sound of them, but money money money!! im still a college student god dammit! haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Shame I never took a pic of the pistons on the rods Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EPnick22 Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 i have acquired all except the bottom right Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Mines for a 5E though, and they are more expensive because of the less demand for them. So they were quite expensive Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fozzie Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 That's why I was keen to use a FHE/Wiseco combo, that's a right pain in the tits if I have to get forged rods now too lol :/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 That's why I was keen to use a FHE/Wiseco combo, that's a right pain in the tits if I have to get forged rods now too lol :/ Take a read through here http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums/showthread.php?52987-300whp-Jamaica-style&highlight=300whp+jamaica I got upto page 4 and found nothing so far but I am sure later on in the thread they switched to Wiseco pistons and kept the FHE rods. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fozzie Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Cheers for that mate, I'll have a scan, here's hoping Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Cheers for that mate, I'll have a scan, here's hoping Found it here buddy http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums/showthread.php?52987-300whp-Jamaica-style/page13&highlight=300whp+jamaica Go down to post 316 by blakchiney. Says he's using Wiseco forged pistons on stock rods with 294whp and 270 ft/lbs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fozzie Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Ahh ideal cheers for that dude, 294whp would do very nicely, my final target in my head is ballpark 250-270 Still confused as to the differences mentioned by EPnick22 though regarding durability of the gudgeon pins/small ends, I guess I have a couple of 5es though so if it all blows up I'll just have to try again ha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EPnick22 Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 tbh mate now Ive had a real look at the wiseco pistons i wouldnt wanna risk running with stock rods, theres no way of the pin being lubricated with oil, running steel pin on steel pin is a disaster waiting to happen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Ahh ideal cheers for that dude, 294whp would do very nicely, my final target in my head is ballpark 250-270 Still confused as to the differences mentioned by EPnick22 though regarding durability of the gudgeon pins/small ends, I guess I have a couple of 5es though so if it all blows up I'll just have to try again ha It's been done before quite a few times, although I always say if you've gone to the length of replacing the pistons, you may as well just spend an extra few quid and get the rods as well. But that's your own choice and on your own budget. It seems to have worked for many other people, providing the map is good I see no reason why it wouldn't work.tbh mate now Ive had a real look at the wiseco pistons i wouldnt wanna risk running with stock rods, theres no way of the pin being lubricated with oil, running steel pin on steel pin is a disaster waiting to happenTbh I haven't had my 5E apart yet so I can't really comment, but there must be an oil way to lubricate the little end as the rod does rotate on the pin as the rod reciproctates.Like I said above though, if your going to the length of changing to forged pistons, spend a bit more cash and just get the rods as well, depending on what you want to go for that is, as you can pick rods up for £300. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EPnick22 Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) the forged pistons are made for the forged rods (the pin pivots in the rod) which is why there is oil holes and brass bushings in the rod little ends. stock rods dont have oil holes in the little end, as the pin pivots in the piston, not the rod! cant pivot steel on steel mate, thats why theres oil holes inside the piston to lube the pin so it can pivot on the piston Edited August 24, 2013 by EPnick22 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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