Phil

I see what your saying and I'd agree that I don't know every tuner but. Any I've spoke to those know lock maps. You pay for the mapping and unless your more than Joe bloggs that's the height of it. If I was to bring rights or legalities into it id say the mapper has to provide something fit for purpose and as such could easily argue that the only way to insure that is with a map beyond tampering. If he liability is also on the line with blown engine etc potentially he could well argue that he wouldn't be held to anything unless the map remained locked. I certainly wouldn't want my work out there for someone to tamper with and then blame me. Anyone who works on software knows that there is a good reason why any digital information that passes hands is referred to as uncontrolled (zero liability accepted etc) Phil

PS idrees i enjoyed writing that wee story LOL hope it wasnt tooo off topic. Phil

both the points above plus they wouldn't want their work critiqued by others. lets say we both make a piece of clay pottery. and the customer is going to decide who is the best and tell the world via the WWW im going to make my piece and put it in a box and give it to the client/customer he (the customer) isnt stupid but he knows nothing about pottery so no point in him even opening the box. but for whatever reason he thinks there may be something wrong with the piece i made him. so he takes the pottery to you, you open the box, and the pottery is still soft so you roll it into a big ball and pronounce my work absolute crap. the customer heads off to the internet in a rage. hence every tuner locks there map, there will be table blocking in there, maybe fuel correction and cold start that wont hardly be touched, a bodge to get the stock dizzy on board or whatever. maybe Will was in a rush that day and was pissed off at you and did a crap job i dont know. but wonder was there clogged up airfilter of sock in and intercooler pipe Lol oj im sure there was nothing wrong but a bad day for the mapper, but easy to see why maps would be locked its industry standard so a totally mute point Phil

Cheers All thanks to mi16chris Phil

This wasn't dissimilar to my thinking but rather for a tuner it looks better for him (and worse for his competitor) if there was no physical issue and it was all down to his mapping wizard'ry Phil

just wondering was the car ever out of Idrees sight at TRL. did they fix an physical/mechanic issue unbeknowns to idrees. (exhaust blocked/knackered resonator/silencer etc) just a wondering is all Phil

did the car ever leave your sight when TRL were working on it? Phil

everyone locks their maps so that has nought to do with it. wonder what the issue was! mind boggling ive had issues like this a few times - just head warpingly crap power - its incredibly annoying. one time i never ever ever got to the bottom of it second time it was the turbo (and it wasnt any old td04 thing either it was brand spanking - expensive and rubbish) Phil

Just priced them and they are £10 for a set Phil

Fiesta ra turbo copper plugs Cheap as chips Bcr8es (Thanks for part number Chris ) Phil

Chris can sort 100% pm me for his mobile. Phil

100% Let the winter CCM R&D program begin Phil

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Thanks Johnboy Pleasure to meet you Jacob, soft spot for your motor ! Phil

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New shell looks serious! Phil

No prob lad - love your setup to be fair! Phil

Thanks man A lot of credit to the three musketeers making it all possible - w.howell c.carson & Jay Phil

Fresh valves and refreshed head only aftermarket items in there are solid lifters and 268degree billet cams 4efe inlet and cooler pipework matched to throttle body. Link atom G4+ with boost control etc Phil

Just a good buff with a few compounds Nothing fancy to be honest Phil

Thanks joes , yeah kinda my favourite EP82 mix It's not a purists GT, but it's just the way I like it lol Phil