Bildo Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I recently got an Exedy Organic Clutch fitted to the car and for the first 500 miles of use I didn't thrash the car at all, I tried to change gears as calmly as possible to give it a chance to run in. Once the 500 miles was up I figured I'd give the car a bit of a push and see how it's coping with it.It pulls fine, no problems whatsoever no signs of it slipping either, however when I hit between 4-5k+ revs in any gear I get this scraping type noise. It sounds like an arch scrubbing or something similar but the fact it seems to happen at the same time in every gear seems coincidental. It's coming from in the engine bay and I took a mate for a drive and he seemed to think it was on the passenger side of the engine bay.Now, this could be down to the clutch or it could be absolutely anything, perhaps even unrelated to the clutch and it's just appeared at a coincidental time. I have got mapping booked for a couple of weeks time and I'm nervous that this could be the beginning signs of a serious issue. There is no issue with boost, or speed, neither seem to be affected, I have checked all my boost hoses for leaks or anything and generally looked around to see if anything could be causing it and I'm baffled.I have recently changed my wheels to wider ones on the front as my tyres had gone below the legal limit. I will be getting new ones fitted on Tuesday and I'm praying that this sorts it out.Has anyone had an issue similar to this or can give me any advice on it?Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squidge Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 have you revved the car standing still in neutral to see if the noise is still there?tells you which side of the clutch it is Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dale10ellis10 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 have you revved the car standing still in neutral to see if the noise is still there?tells you which side of the clutch it isThis would also elimate it it being a rotational problem with the wheels ect.. Dale Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bildo Posted November 29, 2009 Author Share Posted November 29, 2009 I'll give that a try tomorrow, thanks for the tip.One thing I will say though is that when I slowly built the revs up without boosting it didn't seem to do it, however when I'm booting it and boosting to around .6 bar with my foot down a bit it happens every time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squidge Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 silly question and no offence meant, is there oil in it?and is there any play in the turbo shaft? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bildo Posted November 29, 2009 Author Share Posted November 29, 2009 I topped the oil up recently, it had gone down a bit but it wasn't concerning low or anything, I'd say it was just below half way. I did the last oil change about 1500 miles ago definitely used the correct oil etc.How would I check for play in the turbo shaft mate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squidge Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 take the inlet hose of and see if the shaft moves at all, side to side play is acceptable if a really really small amount but there should be no play thats not along the axisit shouldn't sound like this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bildo Posted November 29, 2009 Author Share Posted November 29, 2009 I'll check that tomorrow mate, my hybrid has done less than 5000 miles and has never gone above .75 bar though so I will be extremely disappointed if it is that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nick@TD.co.uk Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Hi BillSounds like a problem with the turbocharger there mate, might be worth getting it checked out, stock CT9s tend to have this problem when the bearings have worn badly, how old is the turbo?Drop me a PM if you need any further advice and ill help all i canTake Care~Nick @ Tuning Developments LTD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bildo Posted November 29, 2009 Author Share Posted November 29, 2009 It's a Tongs hybrid mate with around 5000 miles on it since it was new. I can't think of any way that I could've caused any issues with it, I've been running it on low boost since I fitted it until I get the mapping sorted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bildo Posted November 29, 2009 Author Share Posted November 29, 2009 Just been out and checked for shaft play, there was none at all it seemed to be completely firm and all blades were intact, couldn't see anything that could be causing any issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nick@TD.co.uk Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Are you able to email us over a sound clip of the car making this noise? Cant remember how far away from us you said you were but if you can bring the car to us we can tell you 100% the problem as its quite hard to tell over the internet.Look forward to hearing back and you know where we are if we can help with anything else?Many Thanks~Nick @ Tuning Developments LTD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nanglebadger Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Bill, my brother is having a VERY similar problem and guess wot....he recently fitted an excedy clutch too.we put the car on ramps and had a listen, the closest we could discern was that it was coming from around the splash guard on the gearbox/clutch area.for us its happening between 2200rpm and 2500rpm ish.Phil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bildo Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 That's very interesting Phil, I had Rick in the car and he seems near certain it's coming from the clutch too. I remember seeing Idrees had a problem with his really early on aswell?Nick - If it was the bearings I don't think it'd be a scraping type sound would it? I just viewed a few videos on YouTube and they all seemed to be a whine followed by a LOT of smoke. I don't have any symptoms like that the car is driving exactly as it should and I can't feel any boost drop or anything similar from the start of the rev range to 6k. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nanglebadger Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I've just read a post from Jay stating that my clutch is making a noise too, he thinks its coming from the spash gaurd area too. my clutch is an exedy item with a TRD pressure plate thingymabob.i'm wondering if exedy clutches cause vibrations in the splash plate/guard around 2200rpm or so???????????Phil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ToyotaTech15 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Has there not been alot of people getting there exedy clutches packing up lately?Sure ive heard of another 3 people on here on top of people mentioned in this threadGary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nanglebadger Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Jesus dont say that, my bro will have a stroke lol.Phil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarletRick Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 it isnt a vibrating sound, its a scraping noise. i cant tell you how similar it is to wheel scrubbing. i even thought thats what it was at first. i am however 100% sure its the clutch after going for a drive and listening for myself. i was originally concerned about the box. but the shifting is too smooth and precise for that level of noise. im having trouble seeing how the splash guard can move about though. it is bolted on pretty stiff. theres about 6 or 7 bolts holding it on iirc. also bill has a stock fly, so nothing on the splash plate side should be any different to stock. its only the PP and the clutch disc itself that is different.im puzzled, ill say that much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bildo Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 Idrees had a problem with his but that was a paddle. Joeep91 had an issue with his that was down to a bad installation.Add me, Phil and his brother to the list!Gets interesting..Thanks for your input Rick, it sounds exactly as he was explaining. I have just taken a couple of video clips hopefully they'll give you an example of the sound being produced. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nanglebadger Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 my fly hasnt been changed either, just the clutch and PP, and Jay is reporting odd noises from the clutch area of mines.Mark had the clutch and PP replaced with an Exedy 30% uprate item, all he needs for now, and is gettin definate vibrations, so perhaps not identical to Bill's issue, but could ceertainly be related. mark's is happenin both on and off boost i believe. its the oddest fuckin sound when your in the car, but its not as loud as Bill is describing his to be.Phil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bildo Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 Couple of clips for you guys to hear the noise on:http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/bi...icture014-2.flvhttp://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/bi...icture017-3.flvI know they're not great quality I had my camera on the floor on video mode. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riko666 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 That is most odd - I don't believe its turbo as it'd be a higher frequency sound than that, with it spinnig far faster than road/engine speed...it does happen higher up the rev range which leads me to think, do you rest your foot on the clutch pedal at all, just before you change gear? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bildo Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 Rick said the same, that it didn't sound turbo related at all, hes certain it's clutch related.Nope, I don't rest my foot on the clutch mate, perhaps VERY occasionally but not all the time, and this really is happening every time I reach the upper revs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bildo Posted December 7, 2009 Author Share Posted December 7, 2009 RESOLVED!Basically I took the car to 3 garages this week, one of which was a local "tuning" company. Noone could give me an answer as to what it was, however the tuning company tried to convince me it was coming from the DSBC. (Right!)Basically I drove the car a bit harder to see if the noise got any worse and suddenly it started sounding like hell. This was a good thing though as it made it a lot more obvious what it was. As soon as I popped my bonnet Rick noticed some black soot had leaked onto my FMIC hot pipe. After then starting the car it was blatant that the air was escaping from below the mani.It seems that the bolts on the manifold>turbo had vibrated themselves loose which had been causing vibrations within the turbo.All sorted now, it's running awesome! Thanks for anyone who offered any advice, it was greatly appreciated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarletRick Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 yeah, it was so bloody obvious once the bonnet was open and there was some light in there what the problem was. im disgusted that a proper "tuner"/mechanic couldnt figure it out. it was so bloody obvious. anyone who thinks a blowing exhaust is how a boost controller sounds is a plonker to be honest. to think people let him actually work on their cars! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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