i agree with you ricky, but, this isnt a site vs site issue. noone on here has a gripe with tgtt, and i hope noone on tgtt has an issue with uksc. why would we? most members on here are on both forums anyway. this is more of a personal thing that was started by that gv guy, and i understand why geo is wound up about it. talking to someone who wont listen or reason can be very annoying. i think if we just ignore him and get on with it, itll all be fine. everyone ive spoken to thinks hes a tit, so theres no point wasting our time with him, i know i wont. i've wasted enough time trying to explain something very very simple to him and he still wouldnt listen and started with the personal insults becasue it wasnt going his way. as annoying as it was i just had to let that one go in the end as it will get you nowhere arguing with people like that.