lmfao @ rick and yeh i agree with what yur saying but a vts is 120bhp standard. And as I've owned 2 saxos i know there very reactive to mods. standard vts's are shit. whack a 4-2-1, decat, cat back and filter on it and they go like fuck. but put them on, add a remap and piper/505 rally cams etc uprate injectors etc etc etc thats ony going to give you 40 bhp tops isnt it? so total 160bhp 165 tops. so how can you get 180bhp out of it without turboing it n haha by the way decomp plate? cowboy lmao my mates just done this on his vtec civic and he can only run 6psi cause the decomp pplate. if hed have forged it he could have run a hell of a lot more lol