Thanks gang, i thought u all knew about the rear disc conversion? my bad sorry, that was SiCaln's fault!! ;) he put the idea in my head and then i phoned Jay and got the parts 2days later! ;) ;) once they're on the discs will clean up themselves and i'lll paint the calipers black, should all be done for JAE. since fittin the cup holder the cd player i was usin died coincidentaly at the exact same time, so at the mo im runing an older XPlod model with LOTS of added BASS, its awesome! sounds like a sub with no sub!! but it doesnt play MP3 discs...so im getting my bro's cd/dvd head unit worth an absolute FORTUNE!!!! he recently got a new car and is strippin out the seicento for a project :D ;) :D (Geo and Jay know the score!) so he's loanin me his sexual head unit!!! and he thinks he's gettin it back....fool!!! nah it'll do until he needs it back, probably in a few yrs hopefully, and he may be givin me a 15"Xplod sub to use for a while too for some UBER bass for my heavy metal! i aint gonna say no to some free parts for a while now am i!!!! that would be RUDE!!!! Phil.