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Play with cars... . I'm seriously considering racing a saxo in the rookie rods next year by the way xxxxx

It's oe quality supposedly so should be just as good as toyota. Blueprint are widely known as probably the most popular second line part supplier with a good reputation. Comparing the gaskets side by side they look the same where as some don't... I'd confidently say this will be just as good as toyota.

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I actually lost my paint tin so I don't have the code annoyingly. I went back to the shop to try find the same colour but couldn't lol. I remember it was a toyota colour and was called brown.

My clutch has started slipping on the GT and I need a new one. I'm aiming to run around 220bhp so would prefer a paddle for piece of mind but depends on price and remaining life. What have you got?

Cheers.

Adam.

Tbh, there are a few factors often overlooked. All so easy to compare parts prices to corsas or fiestas. etc

Biggest being... Starlet Turbos were NEVER sold over here. There an import only...

Try buying parts for a American Mustang or Some other rare imports...

So on that basis, you could argue these cars parts are still cheap!

The age is the next point... Getting old now...

Try buying parts for EK9s or DC2s. Parts will only get rarer as time goes on.

This is the same for all cars. Look at the prices of old fords now. Mk1/2 Escorts and such....

I don't think any parts for these cars are overpriced. If you own a Rare Imported Car that's clocking on for 20 years old. Unsure what people expect...

Id happily pay money for parts IF there in original or clean condition. Wind Deflectors are a prime example. The Polish Copies brand new are like £30... So £50-60 for a set of genuine Toyota deflectors, that are 20 years old, in mint condition, when not available new anymore. I wouldn't class as expensive.

I guess if you want everything for nothing. Your in the wrong car scene

I cant see anyone being the first to put there hand up to price there rare or hard earned parts/tuning bits up at much lower prices to help the scene. It just isn't going to happen....

Some fair points mate. Agreed with the fact they're an import and stuff is harder to come by. But that said you can still get stuff from Toyota and second line suppliers and in a lot of cases, you will only pay like £10 more for genuine brand new stuff than you would for the "going rate" of second hand parts... Like someone said earlier, a set of 96 spec lights for whatever it was, and people are selling them at the same price second hand and nearly 20 years old lol. Stuff that doesn't sell often and their prices shock me too. Like when I was looking for them locks for Jo's car and someone wanted £50 collected. Thankfully you had a set and didn't want anything, but if you didn't then I realistically would have said £20-£25 for some locks was sufficient lol.

I know it doesn't apply to everything and deals are to be had now and again if you're fast enough. But a lot of prices are a piss take.

Use a load of washers and some longer bolts lol

I'm only wanting to make a half cage for my ep82, don't see why people are taking the piss its not that hard I'm guessing I've got a 3" pipe bender

Fair enough point. If you have the tools and the knowledge or help of someone that knows then go for it lol. As said above, the cheaper stuff to go for is the seamless tube which you will be able to buy in lengths... It probably isn't that hard to make a half cage if you have a few basic measuring tools, pipe bender, hacksaw and a welder.

As a community maybe we should consider to all sell parts cheaper and sell the cars whole for a little more? After all we do make the prices ourselves? It can only really apply to starlet specific parts as other bits could still be taken off and sold in other scenes but it might end up that there are like 200 starlets popping up for sale quite often which people enjoy and pass on instead of 200 starlets being broken every month and bits being spread everywhere ... Might just have the same effect on prices in the end though as there are none about because no one is breaking them anymore lol!?

I like that I'm not the only one that thinks stuff is overpriced. I've been called a tight cunt a few times when I didn't feel I was being particularly unfair when buying stuff lol. Lots of fair comments too. For some I suppose it's more about making some money and coming out on top which is only natural as we all want to make money in life... Without sounding too much of a cunt and being blunt, I think it just boils down to greedy sellers and stupid buyers with too much money that make it more expensive for everyone...

I can't see it changing, prices will probably even go up. Eventually they will actually become rare to the point where you struggle to find parts, you either pay an arm and a leg to repair stuff because only the few people left in the scene are now specialist breakers and charge you your dick in a pickle jar for a wishbone. At that point I think most realistic people will join the club and split to sell and move onto something else, which again, only sends us more in the same direction...

I wonder if this is what happened to all other classic cars? Might be worth asking our elders who did the same when they were our age lol.

I suppose over all it's hard to see if high prices help the scene or damage it. Currently loads are broken and prices are high... If stuff changed maybe less would be broken because parts were selling for less, but parts would then be rarer, then because they were rarer it might even have the opposite effect and prices go up even more, and everyone would break them again.

Think I'll just start a fabrication company and make aftermarket parts for when there are no genuine parts left lol!

Keep the thoughts coming, think we miss a trick though not doing a short video to encourage people along.

John

I will make one next year . Rob H has some footage online for me somewhere that I may be able to make something from.

It was only really meant for Ollie. But I got carried away haha we did fill ollies air vents up with glitter on a stop on the way back. It was well funny when he turned the blowers on.

Lmao!

Also on the skyline comparison. You can get plug and play ECUs for the liners just like the ones you get for the starlets and they go for about £100... Yet in our scene people sell them for £500 odd. How can that be justified lol.

Try paying skyline or evo scene tax. Not rare cars but still expansive parts

I say keep the prices high. Why devalue our own stuff. AS said there are groups of friends for good deals and prices, passing favours on etc.

Same as why starlet prices dipped about a year ago. We let them. We sell stuff so we control the price.

We need to value our cars and our parts

At the moment the parts exceed the value of the car. So get broken. In a few years it'll only be the good ones left. And that's prime classic car value appreciation time

Keep the prices High so that no one can afford to have fun with them? To be honest with current prices people ask we could reduce the prices of parts and still sell the cars for the same price lol. Why make it so hard for ourselves to be able to afford to run these cars? What's the point in being skint all the time deliberately just so that in 20 years your now 4k car will be worth 10k in bits. I don't feel they're supposed to be locked in a garage to be sold as an investment in 20 years. They're not ornaments lol. They're just cars (as much as we love them) and we should be driving them and enjoying them whilst we're young surely. If you want a garage queen to sit on and just gather dust to make a little money in the future then surely you aught to get something a little more tasteful like an old jag or at least a cosworth or something. Starlets are just considered to be shopping trolleys in Japan so I can't imagine the demand will be high in 20 years and I can't imagine anyone would pay big bucks for one in 20 years whether it's mint or not.

Even so it doesn't change that prices for parts are overpriced. You can still sell the car whole for 4k for example but maybe in bits it were only worth 3.5k. Makes more sense that buying a car whole makes it worth a little more rather than the other way around.

How do you feel on second hand parts that are hardly used? I.e. I have a set of drive shafts that I stupidly bought brand new from toyota at over £1k haha! They have done next to no miles so surely I can't be expected to sell them at £50 for the set?? Are after market parts also included? Again paid a shit load for my bits and have done next to no miles so do I drop the price dramatically just because they are used??

How can you justify spending over a grand on drive shafts? Lol. I'm not sure how to answer without sounding unreasonable. But I would still expect to pay no more than £100 even for new units seeing as they have no benefit overy 2nd hand shafts with new joints which you can probably replace at like £40 a side?... why did you buy new shafts? Lol! I suppose it's a tricky one with near new aftermarket parts. I think it's a case of being reasonable and realistic. Wideband for example costs 130 new, maybe secondhand sell it on for 80? Not expecting to find stuff like that for £20 but should have more than £10 discount from rrp lol

im from Ireland and il be honest prices here are not crazy.

I have noticed that prices in Ireland seem to be much more reasonable on average.

Sadly in life there are people that just take advantage of it. I sold a few parts to a lad couple of months ago and he seemed nice enough and the parts didn't ow me anything so I asked for some beer tokens. So he sent me a tenner for parts that would have cost easily 80+ new. Then he messaged me asking about a a strut brace I had for sale for £50 + postage and said what's your best price I went £40 all in delivered is the lowest I can go. And he came back with 30. Said it was a it low but would be fine. He then sent me £20 and his reason was he had already gave me £10 for the "free parts" so he didn't see why he should pay at this stage I was pretty sick of dealing with the guy so just posted all the parts. Few weeks later and I was looking for a small base plate for a prosport gauge and he messages me saying he had one. Asked what he wanted and he wanted £10+ postage. Said that's abit steep is it not considering the parts and prices I gave you to help you out and his reply was that's your fault for selling stuff to cheap.

Name and shame. Pathetic behavior that makes people think fuck it, not helping anyone out again. Might seem far stretched but that's the kind of thing I would happily tell everyone I knew in the scene over small banter. Avoid them in the future, don't help them out again and eventually it'll come back to them. Exactly the kind of people no one wants in a community.

The starlet scene is quite expensive in comparison to other cars but then again its very cheap compared to other cars aswell. A happy medium id say.

A lot of parts do hold their value really well which is a good thing imo, we all want our parts to be worth something when upgrading and selling them on. Also good standard parts hold their value because its hard to find them in a decent condition now they are 15-20+ years old, rear calipers, window motors, wind deflectors, body panels and not to mention all the optional extras. Then youve got the endless list of aftermarket parts, many not available new anymore and only getting rarer by the day. Its nice to think that your car is an investment whether as a whole car or in parts, not just an endless money pit.

Either way you can build them for pretty cheap if you look out for bargains

Fair points again. I think though if parts weren't overpriced then everyone would be on a win. You still get the same enjoyment out of stuff and you still get your money back when you sell it. It just means you can actually afford it in the first place and experience it instead of just dreaming about it... Yeah you can build a car on a budget, but by the time you've finally found all the bits you want at decent prices, it's probably taken you years and years and then you're selling the parts on for more than what you paid for them and end up being the person selling stuff overpriced because you can lol.... If all prices came down as a whole and everyone were more realistic, we would all have more of the bits we wanted and the only thing that would change is the over all value of the cars. Which would be a shame. But you'd be trading value for fun in my opinion. Sure your car might be worth £500 less at the end of it but you saved that money on the parts in the first place.

Earn more money then you don't have to worry about the price of second hand car parts.

If I earned a little more I may as well go for the R32 I've always wanted lol.

On every forum I've been on theres always people breaking cars and always will be, then again if these cars were not broke then no one will have parts and then you would have to buy new which will cost a arm or a leg or even worse not available any more or any parts that come up second hand then would be more then now

Very true and fair point. I don't really even have a problem with people breaking the cars, it's just what prices parts are sold at once they've broken the cars.

The more cars that are broken would technically bring prices down, but it seems loads are being broken yet prices stay sky high... I could probably justify spending a little more on parts if there were only one car broke every month for example.

That's pretty deep Adam.

I like it deep.

No matter what, people will pay what they want no matter what you advertise it at

I disagree. I just bought a set of lights as I said for £55 when I think realistically they should be sold at about £20 a pair. Also if my engine blew tomorrow I would either have to buy a new one or use public transport and I don't really fancy public transport... So I'd have no other option than to buy a lump for more than what I think is reasonable seeing as they're all around the 450 500 mark now for some reason which just seems crazy to me when an FE can be bought for £80 from a scrapyard.

but then again it's easy money so if you can make the money then why not?

That could be people's views who break them the money is easy and parts are wanted

That is the exact reason, but it's killing the scene for me. As an OWNER and not a scrap yard, I can't keep justifying spending the extra dosh on parts to build a nice EP when I could be spending half the amount and building a nicer car in a different scene... Yeah it may be good for selling, but it's making it harder and so much more expensive to not only modify and make a beast, but even just maintain and look after them.

Reduced £25 posted.

Reduced £25 delivered.

This annoys me, I could buy so many reebok classics with the money I spend on second hand parts. Sometimes I basically have none of my dole money left

But as long as it keeps the chavs away I'm not too bothered.

Lol when I say chavs I basically mean younger ens that don't have a clue or give a shit about maintaining a car, get in it, fuck it, don't give a shit, eventually kill it and scrap it.

Me and most of the starlet owners in my area all sell parts to each other for pretty cheap / free, it all comes back around and we'll return the favour or lend a hand or whatever

And that's how it should be! Doesn't seem to be the case for me what so ever.

Think this is on every cam cover from factory mate. It's just saying to change the belt every 100,000km. If you have no history it might be worth considering changing it for a piece of mind, although I've not even heard of a 4e snapping a belt and they're a none interference engine anyway so wouldn't bend anything.