jordan walker

Tried several times always goes to voice mail :/

He's always on the phone mate you need to keep trying he's a nightmare to get hold of sometimes... if you leave a voicemail with your number on he will get back to you the same day usually

I got a 4efe engine mate for the crank mate the cranks are the same in them and you will end up with a spare head that will most likely come in handy at some point for the shims and stuff or you can sell it on my 4efe was only 40 quid I think I imagine it will be a struggle finding a decent fte crank for cheap these days

Yeah they are fairly shrouded, no harm in removing material, just take it easy to deshroud it. Deshrouding the intake has no benefit though so leave that as is.

I've got the specs for Ivan Tighe if you want me to dig them out, drop me your email address and I'll forward them over and tell you what I recommend.

Pm sent matey cheers 👍

I measured the size of my turbo and just bought some pipes off auto silicone hoses with them been cheap you can pick just about any color you want and any air filter you want and have it sitting anywhere you want

I've got some down the garage I think dude

Good to see you still at it jordan lad. Will have to catch up at some point when the weather picks up and get mine back put. Its been sat for over a year so time to get it back out.

Haha nah mate, don't hold anything against anyone, all here to help each other

Stay away from regrinds personally, trouble with these is that they alter the base circle, LCA, ramp rates etc and their usually a pig to time correctly, will be even more of a bi*ch with the way the E series use meshed gears.

Ivan Tighe are the best option, I've got their spec sheet somewhere for all the "off the shelf" specs they offer, but yes they can also make you your own spec.

If the car is still going to be used on the road with a few trackdays throughout the year, don't go much over stock duration, just increase the lift. Around the 240 mark with 8.2-8.8 mm lift will work well with larger frame turbo's.

Remember also it's not just the cams, you'll need valve springs as well. A lot of so called manufacturers that sell springs don't provide the specs for them, these are good for the bin only. You'll need things like installed height, coil bind height, base pressure etc etc or your expensive cams will turn into paper weights.

Little tip, go with an exhaust cam with a little more duration unless you're going to change the valve sizes. The Intake-Exhaust valve ratio is piss poor on the E series for performance, remember these engines were the Eco ones of the time with the 4A being the performance motor.

Speed vision, not sure on the specs of them though

Cheers dude that's similar figures to what Speedvision claim

Stock cams aren't just good for "all round power", their actually quite lairy for a small displacement, low compression turbo motor.

If I was to recommend cams, it would be to stick with the same duration as stock but just increase the lift and maybe alter the LCA/LSA slightly.

You may well gain some power on your setup, but you will also lose power in the mid range, gain 20-30bhp up top, lose that and torque in the mid range you'll think the car is actually slower. Cams should be spec'd based on what the car is used for, if it's a daily driver or weekend toy then stock cams suffice rather well. If the car is a track / drag car and spends most of it's life above 5000rpm then yeah you can afford to lose that mid range power.

Turbo engines are extremely fussy with cams, get it wrong and the engine characteristics change completely. IMO the stock cams are bang on and the money is better spent elsewhere.

I've detailed a lot on cams over the years on this forum, you may have seen some of my posts, the cams would be the least of my worries on the 4E/5E cylinder heads.

Found that thread where Jamie took out the 282s and put in some 244s instead.

http://www.ukstarletowners.com/topic/57173-jamies-335bhp-white-gt/page-15

Maybe worth a quick look, nobody seems to really rate starlet cams.

So from what has been said here all over gt turbo and the Internet about cams is that our cars want as little as possible duration (read a few times no more than 260 degrees) with a bit of lift

So from what I can gather the earlyer speed vision cams if you can find any are the mustard (confirmed by Phil and a few others on a few threads I found on tgtt) by the newer speed vision ones are a bit too crazy (a few have said ideal for drag starlets)

I'm thinking these puppy's http://www.pipercams.co.uk/pipercams/www/product.php?pid=TSFTEBP285

Might be the ones to have a bash at then from what I've read today has anyone had experience with them in a starlet? Obviously they're a very well known can in other cars but I'm curious if anyone has shot a set in a starlet?

They look a very similar spec to the ones Jamie swapped his 282's out for

there are turbo gtx/gt options to fit the stock Subaru flanges

-more costly

http://www.atpturbo.com/root/releases/release063005.htm

-cheaper

http://shop.mambatek.com/main.sc

do a search for subaru turbos..many varieties in gtx28 series (60, 63, 67, 71, etc)

even on ebay you find mamba

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.TRS0&_nkw=mamba+subaru+gtx2863r+turbo&_sacat=0

Cheers dude, that's something I might look into never even thought you would be able to get them with suby flanges on them

but like I say I'd have to check how much room I've got first with my current turbo set up because it is tight

Mine was a complete kit though

Very fresh gt2860rs

Upgraded v band stainless exhaust housing

Genuine tial waste-gate

Upgraded WEPR stainless manifold

Fittings

And a full stainless exhaust

Anyways was just giving my opinion, not saying I'd give away my cams I love how they drive on track and having power very clearly 4K+ does make gear decisions easy lol

Phil

What turbo are you running with your cams mate?

Bigger bhp number doesn't mean a 'faster' car

Yes I know.... But taking the standard cams out that where designed for an all round power delivery on the standard car and replacing them with ones that are more suited for making your power and mid to high up the revs will when you have a bigger turbo that is making power mid to high up the revs

I personally can not see it been cheaper to go for a gt28 I've mooched about and gt28's are quite simply a fortune and that's without a mani and down pipe because the more I think about it how close my td04 is to not fitting with the current wepr ram horn setup (you can just to say get the oil filter off from where it's situated it fits perfect) there's not a chance you could modify that to fit a gt28.

The costs that are thought of with cams the more you look into it arnet that bad... Sort of anyway because I will be doing it all myself with help from friends so I won't be paying for laybour or anything... Springs will be new standard ones (which should be replaced anyway about now if you go off the loose elasticity thinking) I thought I would have to use uprated springs but you don't..... As for the clearances they're well over due been done on my engine anyway and I imagine that they are a mile out anyway so that's going to cost me regardless but the info I've found on them they don't need to be solid buckets neither like I thought they would....

The only dodgy bit I've found is timing certain cams up but with a lot of patience and the right equipment I'm sure I can manage that...

From what I've found on tgtt as I'm not raising the rev limit in fine with just refreshing everything (which like I've said needs doing anyway) and just dropping the cams in (obviously not as easy as dropping them in but you get where im going with it)

I'm slowly finding bits and bobs here and there but the right ones with the right tune give really good gains

Stevens glanza went from 260 to 300 on a td04 with just cams.

However he said it was a lot more lag, and very sore on fuel. So prob worse for driveability

my 2c keep stock cams as usually most guys do0nt go above 7500rpm anyways

just go biggervalves and a full port jobby with an aftermarket intake manifold as the oem 4efte 1 sucks

Cams on turbo cars always do much less then n/a cars.

All you going to do on these cars is move the power band higher up.

Now obv, if you have a turbo, that wants feeding and will be on song, higher up thats great.

But on a td04 or any variant. Not worth the money and the hassle imo.

You 'll get more benefits spending money elsewhere.

Turbo is a big one. a GTX2860 Ball Bearing is a £1200-1500 turbo.

But spools like a TD04 and yet can do over 400bhp.

My 2 Cents

When you say move the power band up surely the standard cams are made to produce power every where so if you put cams in and move the power band up that takes the first 4 or 5 k where your not making power and utilizes it up top where you've got boost this making more power?

From the small bits that I've read here and there that's my understanding of it? So even with a smaller turbo like a td04 you would still get gains?

I mean the latest revision of Speedvision cams on there website claim as much as 45bhp on a 5e surely there's truth behind that i can't imagine them just making it up

I'll only answer the money side of this for now I think -

Don't under estimate the cost of cams, the arent a drop in item.

The gt28 genuine is 350ish 2nd hand and swapping mani/downpipe flanges maybe another 100/150 or just buy a straight fit housing vf/ihi/td flanges

Which is as cheap as a set of cams even without getting into tolerances/uprated springs/seat pressure/port polish/new valves/larger valves/solid lifters/adjustable pulley - which are all something you may want to do at the same time.

Myself and another local here both dynod our cammed 4e's last winter same day same dyno etc he made 270/280 I think and I made 370/380.

Similar boost he was running td04 I was running Garrett.

Did cams help us both make decent power yeah for sure. But biggest difference was turbo.

Phil

I was always under the impression that gt28 kits are a lot more expensive than that you had one up for sale for £2500 a few month ago didn't you? but anyway if you can go gt28 for that sort of money then I can't really argue my case there any further lol

As for the power figures it doesn't sound like the cams helped make you any power at all... Unless normally a gt28 makes less than that?

That aside thigh because obviously they're just numbers do you feel like the cams gave you any better drivability or any better of a top end kick?

I think one thing that goes against them is that one cam is geared off the other making it harder to dial them in and get the full benefits. Couldn't say this is a definite reason as I haven't looked into it much myself.

As you said the stock cams do perform well and seem to have adequate lift and duration for a fast road car. I can't recall any aftermarket application getting staggering results for the investment.

Would be good if we could get some comparison graphs up.

In my opinion the benefits of a better turbo versus a better cam setup the better turbo wins.

Stock Cams are good for what they are, and the money spent on a Garrett gt2860 or better will yield better results for the money

That's not to say that they aren't useful just usually if someone is looking a step up for a td04 then that's the bests route to take.

If you have the money to do both - then knock yourself out

Phil

Wanting as much advice or opinions as I can get because I can't find much on it on this forum and I'm adamant that there's loads of gains to be had from them!

I am rebuilding my engine after it span a shell and while it's all apart I'm thinking fuck it why not just go the whole hog! I know that there's people who will go against it and say the stock cams are more than good enough and I agree I ran 300 ponys on a td04 hybrid and it was great but I'm sure that there's more to be had than that with cams and headwork.

Wether it be that you want to sit at a set of lights with your daft body kitted starlet with a side exit exhaust and a proper lumpy idle intimidating the life out of the vxr owner next to you or that you want to increase that spool time on your td04 or you think nah man my starlets a beast when the boost kicks in I want some proper lairy cams to give it that little bit more up top.

I know there is people that want them and get put off them I've seen the threads started that just fizzle out and get forgotten about for whatever reason what I want to know is have people went for them? what they've gone for? what they're like?

Also has anyone got any basic info on cams in general? Any decent reading material they would care to share?

I've had a mooch on here and the web for basic info on cams and found drive and drabs and know that the wrong cams can proper ruin your fun so don't just want to go out and buy the first set of cams that I see but without understanding them that's what's going to going to happen lol

Again all info and opinions are more than welcome 👍

That's fine by me. I'll reserve it for you until then.

Legend! Cheers matey 👍

Cheers mate! I looked at that thread earlyer aswell and didn't even spot it 🙈

I'll take that engine but it will be the weekend is this okay?

I've tried a couple of local scrap yards and they only want to sell me a full engine unsurprisingly and I begrudge paying the money they're asking for a 4efe

So if anyone has a crank or a cheap 4e let me know 👍