200sx-Starlet-Jay Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 alrite folks. after this recent crisis of mine, it has given me a kick up the arse and sorted me out again and im back to normal!rite, are there off the shelf cam kits available for the N/A? and if so who makes em and gains ect! also, is there an off the shelf manifold for it? that doesnt need modding? again cost and gains ect..are throttle bodies available? same again with the gains ect,finaly!i read about a recent 20v conversion think it was mentioned in the JAE review in bonzai... whats the crack with that? jsut lookin for some more power to put a smile on my face as an everyday driver!cheers in advance for any help given! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jozinobi Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Please try and post in the right section Jay.Also have a good read in here.NA Engine DiscussionsMost of your answers are covered and some of the modifications you have asked about exist but are mainly custom or havent been used by many members on the site.Also the 4AGE 20V conversion was in Big_T-SR's EP91, check out his thread for more info.Please make more effort to find the information before posting, this applies to all.ThanksJoz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Idrees Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 5EFE ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ste91 Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 If you check in the 4EFE tech section I have a couple of threads askin the same sort of question, some good info in there matey.What mods do you have at the moment? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
200sx-Starlet-Jay Posted November 12, 2008 Author Share Posted November 12, 2008 alrite folks,what can i do next to get power out of my NA? idealy want to keep it N/A as turboing it will cost 2 much out of my Liner fund!!any ideas? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jozinobi Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Please check the N/A Engine Discussions first Jay because this question has been asked before and answered, there is a wealth of in there.N/A Engine DiscussionsThats what its there for bud because a lot of stuff is gonna be repeated Cheers bro & let me know how you get on.Joz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
200sx-Starlet-Jay Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 If you check in the 4EFE tech section I have a couple of threads askin the same sort of question, some good info in there matey.What mods do you have at the moment?Induction kit with big cold air feedSpax 40mm sport Lowering spring kitCorolla inlet manifoldCobra free flowing over bored Cat back S/S exhaust, 4" jap style boxStripped outEngine breatherNGK platinum spark plugsfront strut braceyoko prada spec 2'sshort shift kitthats it realy performance wise! anything else??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ste91 Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 You could go for an exhaust manifold, the OBX ones are available on ebay (for the 5EFE but fit the 4EFE). They're from the USA though so shipping may be expensive.Lightweight pulleys/flywheel are another option.Some sort of piggyback management?Oh and raising the rev limit could be a good idea, there's a guide on it somewhere but I always forget where it is lol someone will have it. With 4EFTE valve springs you can rev to 7500rpm.Let me know how you get on because I plan to do most of this stuff next year, would be nice to know what sort of figures you get with those mods. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
200sx-Starlet-Jay Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 You'll never get big power out of an N/A without charging or turboing it. Its only a 1.3, deal with the power you have.i know this lol just want more poke! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ste91 Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 You'll never get big power out of an N/A without charging or turboing it. Its only a 1.3, deal with the power you have.You might not get BIG power out of it but the 4EFE definately has potential. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
200sx-Starlet-Jay Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 ive had a browse on the internet, and cant seem to find throttle bodies for the starlet... just wanted to see if any of you guys had seen them done before? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
STEVO9000 Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I'm using a 50mm TB off a 7afe engine As for the OBX mani, I had mine at £150 delivered from America to my door within 7 days Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jozinobi Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I can vouch for that price as long as it doesnt get import tax.Also the value of the US Dollar has just risen by 6% or so, so that price will be higher.Joz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rich Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 ive had a browse on the internet, and cant seem to find throttle bodies for the starlet... just wanted to see if any of you guys had seen them done before?Make them from Bike ITBs, hardest part will be getting the TPS to work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
200sx-Starlet-Jay Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 Make them from Bike ITBs, hardest part will be getting the TPS to work.tps??? ay?!!what sort of increase in power would there be with throttle bodies? how do they work over the convensional single throttle body on the car already?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ste91 Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 TPS = throttle position sensor I think.They would give a good gain in responsiveness and of course power if set up properly with sufficient fuelling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
200sx-Starlet-Jay Posted November 16, 2008 Author Share Posted November 16, 2008 so bike throtle bodies, where would i start. what size cc? what bike?! what type of throttle bodie.. i have absolutly no idea what wud fit!!! if sumone has any clue i would seriously consider trying it!! watched some videos and just think it wud be a worth while mod.also, can you just put the 5afe block and top onto the base of the 4efe, with the ecu? or wud that be pointless and not worth while?!! im feelin a bit creative, and would like to acheive an nice healthy 130-140bhp but keeping it N/A. would be interesting!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ste91 Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 im feelin a bit creative, and would like to acheive an nice healthy 130-140bhp but keeping it N/A. would be interesting!!I'm also going to try a well-modded 4EFE and see what I can get out of it, although I'm probably going to stick with the rolla mani, and a bigger TB, as it's much easier.You might want to look into cams and raising the rev limit, I believe a higher rev limit with longer duration cams would be great for the 4EFE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
200sx-Starlet-Jay Posted November 16, 2008 Author Share Posted November 16, 2008 I'm also going to try a well-modded 4EFE and see what I can get out of it, although I'm probably going to stick with the rolla mani, and a bigger TB, as it's much easier.You might want to look into cams and raising the rev limit, I believe a higher rev limit with longer duration cams would be great for the 4EFE.let me know how you get on with the higher revlimit ting lol anything at the moment, just wana do somthing new! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ste91 Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 My project aint going no where atm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 5efe all the way, its a straight swap and you can run it on a 4e ecu!!get a six speed, opex header, underdrive pully and decent element on the filter and ul see 130-140 thats what alot of guys with 5es got. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikey Jay Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Opex header? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jozinobi Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Enzo meant OBX Mikey.130-140bhp is pretty hopeful Geo bro, a huge increase for very few bolt on breathing and lightening mods from the standard 89bhp... Its not gonna happen man, if MJ put on those bolt-ons for his motor can you can guarantee he will get a 50% power increase? Unless there is proof Im not convinced In that line of thought I'd hate to know what I might be producing with my extreme measures... I wouldn't like to guess any figures until the car and mods have been tuned and dyno proven. There is no point in opening a can of worms and getting people's hopes up.Its also not ideal to run it on a 4efe ecu because the 5EFE is a different CR ratio and designed to run on different maps so is only really for temporary measures, it will run but not ideally. If you can get a 5EFE ecu to work happy days.Thats why people can't tell you what exact increases can be had with ITBs Jay because not many have done it on an EP properly. When people say supporting mods, they mean ALL other mods to complement the ITBs, i.e internal engine work, full header, full exhaust, lightened flywheel, etc etc. You need to think out the box and beyond, not just the forum.Its a common tuning option on Saxo's and Pugs however but nonetheless is not cheap on either platform or ours.Im going quad throttlebodies at the moment but I couldnt help you I'm afraid, Im a man on a mission and still working with things myself. I've waited so long to do this and have added much more than originally intended.I have known of others to just slap on quad itbs with nothing else and failed.It certainly sounds like your uncle can help with parts tho which sounds ideal. I bet you'll learn a lot about them from him. There are people recommending to you the OBX but nobody besides myself has tried it on the 4EFE that I know of, do they know about any exact clearance or fitting issues? Do they know if it really gives any gains on the 4E especially as its intended for the 5E? Didnt think so. I wouldn't take any advice seriously unless it has been experienced or tried by the advisor. Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups.There is a way to go about things, and just being after more power isnt the best way, you need to take other variables into account because things arent going to be straightforward for you. Each to their own however.If you want some inspiration please feel free to check out my project thread or blog dude. PeaceJoz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 on the 130-140bhp coment, was an avid user on paseopimp before it closed and thats what type of figures people were getting with those mods so its not entirely unbelievealbe it is a 1.5 after all Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jozinobi Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Thats fair play man.I'd have loved to read that material.Joz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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