starlet ryan Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 what do we need to change in our uk spec stalets to make them into galanza s engines and is it more complicated than bolting on jdm mani and yellow injectors ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jozinobi Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Now moved to the right section Free bump for this topic.Joz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starlet ryan Posted December 16, 2007 Author Share Posted December 16, 2007 any one have any ideas ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 to be honest the engines are essentialy the same, the extra power comes from a different map, from memory they only make 85 ps please correct me if im wrongand if thats the case i think thats down to the high 102 ron octain fualif i were you id look into repliacting the 4efe found in the earlier ep82 starlet gi and solail with 100 ps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smythy75 Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 i have the ecu for your job, out of a 4efe 100bhp jap engine! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ttestarlet Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 weejohn also has one and he lives in carrick and he cud help fit it as the wiring loom would need 2 be modded i think Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 yea those ecus are two plug, 96> starlet ecus are three plug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ttestarlet Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 things on the jdm one that are different are4efte style manifold with a few breathers blockedThrottle bodys biggerinjectorsecui think thats everything mite have forgot some stuff Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 those are for the starlet gi ep 82 ^^^^ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevink Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Hi guys,as i am after more hp out of my 4E-FE i am trying to find as much info as possible.Now as i found out the 100HP 4E-FE is out an an certain type of ep82.The Glanza S has 100hp or 85 hp? because i am confused now I got the rolla manifold installed and have a Glanza S ECU and injectors that i will be installing soon.First gotta figure out if the pinout of the S ECU and my starlet ECU is the same.But Enzo you saying that my ECU is 3 plugs... i will be digging for my ECU this weekend.That would be a prob than..Anyway i am ranting!Just wanna know how to get thos 100HP out of my 4E-FE, so any info is welcome! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stup86 Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I thought the Glanza S had 100HP too!?!? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 no its a misconseption, the glanza s only has 85ps like the rest of the jdm range at the time, to get 100ps out of your ep the simple way would be some aftermarket fual management throttle body and a thiner gasket, but when your tinkering that way for less of an outlay you could just plug in a 5efe, with more torque and the same 100ps power for less of an outlay Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevink Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 what about an 5E-FE with bigger injectors, thinner gasket, rolla manifold and Glanza V TB? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jozinobi Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 The Euro/UK 5E-FE is 89bhp Geo I've stressed that many times . You wont get 100ps from one.Only early distributor USDM 5E-FE (91-95) are 100bhp as standard.To be honest I dont think the extra glanza S components will make much difference, first you need to get the Glanza ecu working, then it would still have been mapped for Jap fuel. To noticed the difference truthfully you would need to get it rolling roaded before and after, it doesnt seem worth all the bother for insecure gains. I'd go for a 5efe/5efhe transplant if you want to stay n/a or go FTE when you can afford it. The potential is there with the 4E-FTE and altho common is one of the very reasons people love and look after their starlets as the performance is there for what the engine is as well as the car.Just my own opinion, nothing more, nothing less. If anyone gets the gains they are after with the Glanza S components I'd be happy for them however there are other ways to make the 4efe more drivable as it is such a simple economy twin cam engine. If you are after performance then I'd transplant a performance engine. Im only running my 5efe temporarily... There is a misconception to tuning the 4efe as not a lot can be done to it unless you invest in it internally. You can make it more drivable by adding the corolla manifold and a decent cold air induction kit with decent air feed. From personal experience full exhaust system doesnt do an awful lot and the gains would be minimal, upgrade to 2" and you may still lose some torque. Also you usually only see your highest bhp at higher revs of full throttle e.g after 4k rpm or similar, so the general drive below that would be so so. So don't think that 100bhp will happen all the way through your journey because it wont. With my setup I have to wait until 4k in mine for the car to liven up. Its decent and probably the best I will ever see out of my n/a but I thirst for better things.@Kev - The bigger injectors wont help as the standard ones probably aren't even maxing out, it would make things worse, extra fueling is only needed if you have mods that need it i.e bigger turbo etc. TRD 0.5mm or 0.6mm headgasket would help to raise compression ever so slightly, it hasnt been done yet on here, I have one in storage. The glanza TB needs slight modification to get it working, I would go for a 4AFE or 7AFE upgrade if you are really looking to go up a size.Joz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevink Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 great, honest and helpfull info Joz thanks mate!a guy i know did a rolling road with and without the rolla intake mani, magnecor ignition cables and iridium sparkplugs and got from 75hp to 87hp.the guy doing the rr told him that above 4.500 revs it was running kinda lean and that it could have done better.ow and my ECU has 2 plugs just as the Glanza S ECU instead of 3 as stated by some people here. could be UK specific?and ye ive been thinking of a 5E-FE transplant. For this car i am not looking for crazy HP just some more than it's in now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 just a gripe bud but i was talking in ps in regards to jdm, higher octain fual etc and not bhpthanx for the clear and consice input jozinoby. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jozinobi Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Glad I was of some help Kev There is always a trade off with modifications, i.e change the inlet manifold and it makes the car run less top end.The 5EFE is the cheapest upgrade of them all, with this comes the lowest gain of them all (15bhp) (10ft tq) from an engine change as its basically the same engine with a taller block that adds the extra displacement (1331cc/1497cc), its a drop out/drop in affair bar 2 sensors that need switching and you retain your 4EFE tb.Im all for n/a tuning the E-Series engines but deep down I think the one we all want is forced induction. It (n/a) does keep insurance down and there is less to go wrong, and safer too however lol.Keep your options open and keep researching, there will be other n/a tuners about who can give you pointers. I've taken mine as far as I can go really without adding FHE internals, heck I've even added TRD engine mounts and an engine damper. Im just really happy to have a solid base for the next transplant...Keep up the good work Kev and hope you get the gains you seek.Joz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jozinobi Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 just a gripe bud but i was talking in ps in regards to jdm, higher octain fual etc and not bhpthanx for the clear and consice input jozinoby.Cheers man, only sharing what Ive experienced and believe in.I dont think its worth using different measurements all the time in this topic bro, one PS is about 98.6% of one bhp which means its a slightly smaller unitof power, when you said the 5EFE would give you 100PS for the same outlay as the Glanza S components, it just didnt sound right compared to 89bhp. Its all nitpicking, but I think we should stick to BHP to keep things simple Sorry for any confusion on both parts.Joz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 is your car an automatic kevin?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevink Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 noooo lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarletRick Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 may seem trivial, but the runners on the jdm intake manifolds are bigger, the casting is ALOT better on the jap ones as opposed to the ones produced here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevink Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 the rolla manifold seem bigger to?and they are all even length, what helps alot i think Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 noooo lol the reason i ask is that the ecus are two plug, im at a loss to why you have only two plugs on your ecu, must be the fact that your car is denoted as a p9 and not ep91, with quite a few variences.the gi 4efe(1oops) shares the same inlet as the fte, and some models of early corolla 4efes which had (85bhp) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevink Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 dunno mate,i really don't have a clue why i have 2 plugs on the ECU. Anyway i will be pushing forward on the "tuning" of my lil N/A starlet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ryan lang Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 just had a read through this and my ecu has 2 plugs aswell. would this mean that the glanza s ECU work in my car? along with the fuel rail and injectors from the 'S'thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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