TimD Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Anyone got one? Would like to compare it to the TONGS turbo I currently have fitted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 i havent found a graph yet but i opened the tfo yesterday to rotate it the compressor is a good bit bigger then stock ct9 an exhaust only few mm bigger but there is good news td wheels and compressors fit right on thinking of getting the kiniguwa billtet tdo4l 19t upgrade Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 Found this on KBonds build thread If we compare that to mine using a TONGS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) on the top pic wish is the power line ??? full boost @3600 ( 1 bar ) ?? tfo35 @ 3600rpm 110bhp ?ct9 hybrid @ 3600rpm 90bhp ?? also hard to compare they dont run same boost i thin k ( if i read it right ??? ) Edited March 27, 2015 by 5e colin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 CT9 peaks at about 12psiTF035 peaks at about 13psi The figures on the CT9 graph are at the hubsThe figures on the TF graph are calculated fly wheel figures Peak power on the CT9 @ around 11psi of boost is ~ 138hp at the hubs (160 at the fly?)Peak power on the TF @ around 13psi of boost is 195 at the fly (162 at the wheels?) Will @ RDT did comment that my Zisco manifold could be causing a certain amount of restriction due to the size of its runners, and we saw very little change in peak power with more boost which is why it was left at around 11psi rather than a bar. I do see a certain amount of boost creep now when it's cold out, so often get a warning from my DEFI gauge that I'm hitting about 15psi, no big deal as AFR's are fine, if a little rich under these conditions. Obviously this is only theory, and comparing the power figures is largely irrelevant given they were taken from two different sources. Interesting none the less. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kbond Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 As Colin said you can't really compare them as they are both different boost pressuresMine is running .9 bar around 13psi Tf035 is a great turbo in my opinion I went from a tongs to a standard ct9 to td04 then to tf035 and for my driving the tf isn't to laggy and has a great amount of pullThe tongs is a good turbo but I think the tf defiantly pulls harder Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 Well, you can compare them. Because I know that at higher boost my setup didn't make much more HP. The lower graph is mine, it's from when my car was mapped, perhaps I should have said that. It's clear to see that the boost characteristics of the TF fitted to a 4efte are similar to that of a hybrid, which is what I was looking for. I don't want to lose responsiveness for the sake of a few more HP, but it seems if I fit the TF I can have my cake and eat it too. Out of interest, what manifold and exhaust do you have? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) 22bhp difernce ? i like the early boost curve from the tfo , cant wait to have a bigger compressor housing /wheel of a td05 or likes on there they must become really big torque monster ???? Edited March 27, 2015 by 5e colin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TimD Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 What effect will changing the compressor wheel have on the TF? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) way more cfm / air pumping at same boost level in other words spool the same but icrease torque by soooo much more same basic as what i am doing to my twin ct9 setup but this will be single tubo Edited March 27, 2015 by 5e colin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kbond Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I run a ewg zisco manifold which like you said isn't the bestI was also looking at getting my tf rebuild but using bits off my td04 do you reckon I'd see many gains?Maybe get in touch with LiamD to sort something out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 you deffo will see gains more air is pumped in . spool time aint affected because the exhaust wheel stays same size Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kbond Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 So il just see more torque across the revs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 and bhp to ofcourse :) there is a thread on the subaru forum of a guy having a hybrid pushing 1.4 bar on a billet wheel and uprated housing also said no balancing was needed becous the billit wheel was balanced ??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kbond Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 May have to give it ago then how much would something like that cost?Never had a turbo rebuilt before Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 something like this but will need balancing http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Turbo-Compressor-Kit-Upgarde-SUBAUR-TD04L-13T-to-19T-/120718920186?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1c1b6889fa or like this billet wheel and uprated housing ( doos not need balancing ) http://www.ebay.ie/itm/MAMBA-Turbo-Compressor-Housing-GTX-Billet-Wheel-SUBARU-TF035HM-TD04L-TD04-19T-/191524963836?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c97c705fc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kbond Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I'd do it myself but I don't wanna spend that money to fit it and find it does need balancing or anything I'd rather get someone to build it then it's perfect and I've got warranty aswellI'm all for doing it myself but not everything Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Androo26 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Ive just finished a TF/TDO4 intall on my starlet. Im running the Kinugawa TFO35 http://shopping.kinugawaturbo.com/kinugawaturbo99-08subaruwrxforestertd04l-13t-6210hp-1-3.aspx Using an electronic boost controller GFB 2 Im seeing full 13 psi boost at 3380 rpm Data logged using Microtech ECU I love this new turbo setup . I down sized from a GT2560 / smaller GTR 0.48 rear housing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 nice diy there mate is that mig or tig ?? what kinda bhp have you got Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan_EP82 GT Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Nice work androoWhats the drive like now? Responsive? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Androo26 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Ive never had a CT9 or been in a starlet with one so I cant compare to that. But I have done heaps of research and talked with blokes and those that have had CT9 , TF035 and TD04 rekon that TF is best for the street. (non forged motor) GT2560 setup made 135kw at the wheels 14 psi at 5500 rpm (Had a missfire right up top so couldnt go to redlne ) . New setup is yet to be dynoed but feels just as good up top but comes in bout 600-700 rpm earlier in the rev range. Its all fabricated and Tig welded by me in my shed at home. Im a big fan of this TF turbo for the street. Engine is 4EFE + T 196,000 km unopened stock motor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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