yeah totaly agree, thats why i put the thread up, to see what people have used and what experence they have had, i know the hdi fmic has massive rep and all very good, so looks like a great possibilty, as for hybrids they seem to be alot about, but as long as they meet my standards, and time frame and have good feedback i will be happy, i wont buy anything that i may think is dodgy or bad press from fellow users ect ect. but thanks for your advice dude, and can you source JAM racing mani's?lol