confuses biros with gel pens!!!!!!! Ok ok let me explain, that was my DISSERTATION research field trip, the pen was a consistent scale illustrator in all the images needed for the dissertaion write up...and im from NI, of course i have white boy legs!!!! dont we all over here!!!!!!!!! :D :P :P :D :D :D Kudos to fogdog, he got me there!...damn Daihatsu driver! :D Phil.