Fair play amigo To be fair though, on the Paseo forum there's all of about 15 active members, of which only about 4 have non Standard exhaust mani's, and all of which are the OBX. Only people I've heard give feedback on the pacesetter are the American members, although they prefer the OBX as apparently the Pacesetter is thinner material. Let me know how you get on if you do get the Pacesetter as I'll be looking to do my exhaust mani in Spring sometime