engine options na versis force fed

[Guest Enzo]

there are many different engine can fit in the starlet.

but when i ask about these on other forums its usualy met with "why would you want to do that"

or "its too much hastle"

the purpose of this thred is to basicaly fto go abit indeapth as to what engine options are available, how much power they would produce ect ect

[Guest Enzo]

first off sticking with the 4efe.

the most powerful version of this was found in the latter ep82 soleil and 82 gi...

the latter was produced as a homoligation for the N1 productionn race series.

basicaly this engine was almost identical to the fte minus the turbo and used slightly smaller injectors ..

the final output figure is 100ps.

it reved to 7200rpm..... this would be a great engine to find but it would be very uneconeomical to do this conversion unless you found a fucked one in a scrapyeard somehwere local going rediculusly cheep.

it would not be as straight forward to fit either because of the older generation loom.

most japanese racers junked the standard intake to fit throttle bodys..these can be sourced second hand on the japanese yahoo aution site. 140-160 is achievable with this setup but its not a realistic propesition in realworld terms

pros..cheap to insure(if you want to tell them).. very economical peaky high reving natured engine

cons...these things are rarer then rocking horse shit so findin a scraped one would be almost imposible

[Guest Enzo]

undoubtebly the cheapest and easiest conversion for the starlet would have to be the 1.5 5efe found in the toyota paseo....

this engine produced the same power as as the gi at 100 (89)ps but a healthy dose more torque due to the bigger displacement.

the car revs to 6200 (5800) rpm just like the ukspec 4efe...interestingly enought both engines are close to identical sharing most ancialrys like t/b inlet mani ect.

inn order to fit you only have to use your existing 4e fual rail (four bolts) to make it work... plug in the 5efe and your good to go. saxo vts power for not much cash.

you also need the 5efe exhaust manifold to fit your stock exaust.

pros....... cheap to insure (again if you want to tell them) better fual economy than before.....(additional torque) easy usable power.

cons.... limited na tuning potential

[scutch0]

the only thing you need to watch with engine conversions is insurance, for instance, i could get insured on a 96 glanza for £1100, however my car with a ct9 strapped on (this is after ive explained that it is basically the same engine as the 4efte) pushing 120bhp mr insurance man wants a tidy sum of £2236 per year... this is where engine work has its downfalls.

but as geo has said, we're not talking money here, i personally wouldnt mind being different and strapping on a set of quad throttle bodies, aftermarket ecu, head skimmed and make the little 1.3 a fun rocketship

but if youve got your sensable head on you'd go for a turbo.

;)

Rich.

[Guest Enzo]

totaly rich variaty is the spice of life.....

the next engine after the normal 5efe is the more advanced 5e-fhe(h deontoes a higher compresion)

ontop of that this engine had thicker rods, larger injectors(225)and higher lift cams. the redline is 72000 rpm.

some versions also came with an adjustable intake pushing the peak torque father down the revrange to make the engine more tractable at lower revs..sort of like the tvis or beams systems found on other toyotas.

the engine produced only ten bhp more then than the normal 5efe but the real difference is in the way this engine delivered that power.

the fhe came in the jdm cynos and gulwing sera.

findin one of these engines is not too hard but becuause of its age you will also need the loom and electrician to get everything running right..

pros..... peaky engine that loves to rev, low to midrange torque on ACIS equiped cars, fuel economy.

cons...fitting this engine is more hastle then the normal 5efe. but still fairly straight forward compared to other engine conversions out there..

[Robbo]

If you get a glanza V engine in a starlet (previously 4efe) then the wiring should be the same, its only the former starlet GT engine which the wiring will be different.

[SiCaln]

it is the same to an extent, but not entirely there's bit on the turbo loom that aren't on the normal loom - like electric mirrors, turbo hi/lo boost button, etc

[BlackTarw]

I know someone who put a 5EFE into an EP91. His gearbox bolted on to the 5E and he dropped it back in, took off the 4E ECU and pluged in the 5E and started it up.  An easy 1 days work. He even swapped the timing belt covers so it still said 4EFE on it if the police ever had a look in. You can easily change your tax book here to show a new engine number.

People will say your not insured, but an insurance company can refuse to pay out if you have not declared any modifications, even non power mods like a radio!

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With insurance companies, it helps to think like them when it comes to modifications etc, it usually goes something like: "How can we screw our customers over for as much money as possible?"

[scutch0]

ye, engine conversions + insurance companys = big bucks

Rich.

[Ivan]

Also, i would like to add my opinion when it comes to power.

It is a fact that a turbocharged car will produce more power than n/a. If your on a budget and your insurance allows a turbo mod, then do it.

For every bar of pressure, you are in theory doubling your engine capacity. So if you turbo a 1.3ltr on 1 bar (14.6 psi) then already your ahead with a 2.6ltr engine...

Turbo your car cause N/A costs toooo much and you get less gains out of it.

Ivan