That's your opinion and mine was they ain't all that bad, I said a few times so are shite some are good like most mass produced cheap products but people still buy them cause its a gamble of weather it will be good or not for little money, if a frame starts to crack take the seat out strip it down then weld it up solid and make it more structural, or even just buy it and brace the shit out of it and its then a solid seat and still cheaper then the real item with some added strength there's always gonna be two sides to the arguement on reps and real but now with goods the market is full of reps and they are getting better admittedly they ain't all the best but its again like the difference between rota grids and rays what you pay for is what you get