back in the day i used to use body fortress muscle and weight gainer,protein shakes and creatine from holland barrett. it sed no more than 2 weight gain shakes a day,i was on 5 and eatin lots of food,from cakes to good stuff like all meats n fish (i was a butcher so that was easily dun lol) on top of that i dun NO cardio n had abite to eat n 1 of each shake before bed for maximum gain. the result? 3st 2lb in 3months,strength went thru the roof, i was up to 16st 2lb,i lost 1st rippin up n this is how i stayed until my ex and a near death car crash put me back a few squares.getin back to it now,not far off it