Ecks has a point tho, he's just expressing his experiences as he's seen many in the field, makes the thread interesting and was a good read. I've been a passenger in an STi, dont know what year etc but it was a rollercoaster, the torque pulled my back into the seat and I was left breathless. Visually I prefer Evo, but Scoobs can also really go like stink. Gran Turismo 4 tonight me thinks. Joz