ive had them for a lifetime, i bought them because they were shit, and looked it, as they were gonig on my old gt. which was a whoreslagcunt. they suited it nice. sold the gt. and they wasnt right for the V as i had the works for it. theyve sat in my garage for ever, and phil asked to buy them i said yes, but they were fudged, but the guy who did my refirb was GOOD and i said id get him to firbs them for phil before he bought them. the rest is history, because he has turned an ugly set of wheels into a piece of art. and i have fallen in love with them all over again.