dan you went on another owners club saying things against there cars. course he was going to get "owned" the same would have happened if a sax owner came on here and started slating starlets. i mean look at Cal he gets owned on every owners club he goes on your bound to when its you vs every member on a site the fact you went on there though to say it in my opinion was pretty funny so dont worry what anyone says against it As for starlet1.3si i think phil pretty much cleared everything up there not once did anyone "talk down" to n/a owners. infact I've only ever had GT's yet i still take advice from Mr Bower, Phil, Joz Sparky etc all current or previous N/a owners. I've read loads of threads where someone was asking about something for a glanza and all the n/a boys knew. they have just as much an active part in this forum as anybody and are certainly never "talked down too"