orange suck, i just dropped them for Sky broadband. took a wee while for the line to stabilize and it is SLOWLY gettin quicker, its now at about 4.5Meg tho its meant to be 16meg!!! but heyho its better and cheaper than Oranges 1.1Meg line crap i had a friend on with virgin a few miles from me and he hated them, nothin but complaints about them, even their own helpline people admitted they were crap to him but perhaps thats just over here with us. Phil.