yeah, afraid i agree wit Si, not really my thing but then we all have diff tastes, just look at the differences in all the members cars!!!! Different styles and ideas and tastes, and they look great. Imagine if we all got together in a big warehouse, with an unlimited budget, and built up our own EXTREEM EP, like American Hot Rod on Discovery!!!! There'd be some arguments over design ideas but HOT DAMN imagine the car we'd have at the end!!!!! Sorry for wafflin there, it just came to me in a vision!!!! Phil.