JDMfreak Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 hi can anyone tell me why i cant get gears when car is running fine when cars offi swapped the gearbox out yesterday gearbox i fitted 12v efi starlet 1.3 box fitted no problemcan get all gears when its off when i start car cant get gears and even when clutch is full depressed its hard to get into or out gears and when i press clutch doesn't stop wheels turning need car for Tuesday Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richardc9052 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Clutch needs bleeding, master or slave is faulty, clutch fork is bent/damaged, clutch plate is bent, pressure plate is faulty/damaged, release bearing is too short. One of those lol. Shorten the list by answering this:Why did you change the box?Did you change the clutch/pressure plate?Did you use the release bearing from the old box?Did you disconnect the fluid line from the slave cylinder when you removed the box? Is the slave cylinder leaking at all? (Pull the boot off to have a closer look, should be dry) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDMfreak Posted July 9, 2016 Author Share Posted July 9, 2016 bled clutch ,slave cylinder has been changed, have two original one from 4 speed and 5speed both same changed it due to doing more longer journeys and it needed the extra gear i didn't change clutch or pressure plate as i didn't think they would be an issue as both are 12v boxes yes re used old release bearing wasn't growling or whirring when foot on or off clutch no i removed both 12mm bolts as just moved it out of the way so no need for bleeding clutch no original was replacement is fine not leaking seems i have come to the conclusion is the flywheel and clutch flywheel is to narrow thickness wise so basically box is sitting into clutch fine but isn't close enough for the release bearing to fully disengage the clutch plate basically when i pressed the clutch the pressure plate wasn't pushing the clutch disc far enough away from flywheel causing the disc to drag on flywheel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richardc9052 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Id say then going off all that, change clutch fork. Everything else is untouched.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDMfreak Posted July 9, 2016 Author Share Posted July 9, 2016 there the very same had two of them side by sideim going to see if a 4efe flywheel is thicker than my own 1e one as one of the lads dropped me up a 4efe glanza s clutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bug679 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 bled clutch ,slave cylinder has been changed, have two original one from 4 speed and 5speed both same changed it due to doing more longer journeys and it needed the extra gear i didn't change clutch or pressure plate as i didn't think they would be an issue as both are 12v boxes yes re used old release bearing wasn't growling or whirring when foot on or off clutch no i removed both 12mm bolts as just moved it out of the way so no need for bleeding clutch no original was replacement is fine not leaking seems i have come to the conclusion is the flywheel and clutch flywheel is to narrow thickness wise so basically box is sitting into clutch fine but isn't close enough for the release bearing to fully disengage the clutch plate basically when i pressed the clutch the pressure plate wasn't pushing the clutch disc far enough away from flywheel causing the disc to drag on flywheel you sure clutch is bled properly just reading through that it says first thing was bled clutch but then you say you didnt bleed it ? just checking as you changed the slave cylinder. could be picking this up wrong doh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richardc9052 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Flywheels are the same size only the contact surface diameter and the pcd of the pressure plate differ on them from 1e/2e/4e/3e/5e although 3e and 5e also differ from the rest in crank pcd. He didnt change the slave but he did bleed it after he realised the problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDMfreak Posted July 10, 2016 Author Share Posted July 10, 2016 you sure clutch is bled properly just reading through that it says first thing was bled clutch but then you say you didnt bleed it ? just checking as you changed the slave cylinder. could be picking this up wrong doh i didn't bled clutch when i first got the box in i tried to get gears and couldn't so i bled the clutch then i noticed the weeping from slave cylinder so i changed the slave cylinder and bled the clutch again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDMfreak Posted July 10, 2016 Author Share Posted July 10, 2016 Flywheels are the same size only the contact surface diameter and the pcd of the pressure plate differ on them from 1e/2e/4e/3e/5e although 3e and 5e also differ from the rest in crank pcd.He didnt change the slave but he did bleed it after he realised the problem. so a 4efe flywheel is same thickness only surface size is bigger i just thought the 4efe flywheel was thicker meant by that the clutch sat further out more into the gearboxmeaning the clutch fork could depress the clutch away more from flywheel could a worn out clutch be the cause off all this ie thickness and worn pressure plate fingers not able to push the clutch far enough away Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richardc9052 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Nope. did you remove the clutch at all? I think your clutch disk is damaged. If it was worn you wouldnt have this problem.Clutch fork Clutch disk Thats all that's causing this going by your info Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDMfreak Posted July 10, 2016 Author Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) Nope. did you remove the clutch at all? I think your clutch disk is damaged. If it was worn you wouldnt have this problem. Clutch fork Clutch disk Thats all that's causing this going by your info i didn't remove clutch first i just dropped 4 speed out and fitted the 5 speed only thing i did was swap release bearing out of the 4 speed and into the 5 speed here's a pic of my clutch disc the pressure plate Edited July 10, 2016 by JDMfreak Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hopalong_neil Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Have you checked the clutch pedal height?Had these exact same problems when I did a clutch change on my old gt4 which was an engine out job. Spent ages trying to work out what was wrong and was faced with ripping it all out again when I checked the clutch pedal and found it was too low compared with what was specified. Once readjusted (about 20mm) I had all gears again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDMfreak Posted July 10, 2016 Author Share Posted July 10, 2016 ive never seen any adjuster on clutch pedal in a starlet i may have a look Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richardc9052 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Throw up a side view of the clutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDMfreak Posted July 10, 2016 Author Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) Edited July 10, 2016 by JDMfreak Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hopalong_neil Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 ive never seen any adjuster on clutch pedal in a starlet i may have a lookSeem to recall on the celica that where the pushrod ran through the pedal it was threaded so once that was adjusted there was enough movement to fully move the cylinder so the clutch disengaged properly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richardc9052 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 That looks off center Look at the didifferencenI space on each side from the main body to friction material.Its closer on the left. Buy a new clutch... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDMfreak Posted July 10, 2016 Author Share Posted July 10, 2016 Seem to recall on the celica that where the pushrod ran through the pedal it was threaded so once that was adjusted there was enough movement to fully move the cylinder so the clutch disengaged properly you were right theres a threaded adjuster there but it pretty much out at the last Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDMfreak Posted July 10, 2016 Author Share Posted July 10, 2016 That looks off center Look at the didifferencenI space on each side from the main body to friction material.Its closer on the left. Buy a new clutch... have been offered a 4efe gearbox clutch and flywheel from an 98 starlet for €100 car can be driven before its removed so will know if its any good or not gonna price a 1e clutch in the morning aswell what about a release bearing will i need a 4efe one or will the 1e do the job Quote Link to post Share on other sites
richardc9052 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 You dont need the gearbox just get the clutch and flywheel. Even turbo if anyone is breaking theirs. Should get them used for 50euro. Wouldnt pay much more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5e colin Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 you were right theres a threaded adjuster there but it pretty much out at the last your master is leaking to !!!!! new 1 on order soon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDMfreak Posted July 10, 2016 Author Share Posted July 10, 2016 You dont need the gearbox just get the clutch and flywheel. Even turbo if anyone is breaking theirs. Should get them used for 50euro. Wouldnt pay much more. ok ill pick them up tomorrow and refit them see how i get on hopefully fingers crossed your master is leaking to !!!!! new 1 on order soon that's grease colin i checked it minute i seen it i had to check it out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hopalong_neil Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 you were right theres a threaded adjuster there but it pretty much out at the lastHmmm, didn't expect to see it that far at the end, may suggest there have been issues in the past.There does look like there may be a couple of turns left mind, maybe worth trying to see if it helps before more drastic options? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 We had a similar issue to this on a friends civic we just put an extention cap on the slave cylinder pin so it added a bit of extra movement to the clutch arm. Hey presto problem solved lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDMfreak Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Hmmm, didn't expect to see it that far at the end, may suggest there have been issues in the past. There does look like there may be a couple of turns left mind, maybe worth trying to see if it helps before more drastic options? gearbox is already back out going too fit a 4efe clutch and see how i get on We had a similar issue to this on a friends civic we just put an extention cap on the slave cylinder pin so it added a bit of extra movement to the clutch arm. Hey presto problem solved lol we tried this still wouldn't push clutch disc far enough away from flywheel to disengage it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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