ChineseMafia Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 ok guy ive read oll the threads on this and from what i gather...its not an easy swap however i have friend who bought a car from a guy who took the 5efe bottom end 4efte piston and 4efte head and ECU put them together and the car runs fine with the ct9 onthe stock manifold and he uses a standard 5efe cluch the car runs finewhat im asking is this will every thing from the 4efte bolt on to the 5efe block by that i mean the alternator, power steering pump ac compressor etc all from the 4e. will they mount onto the 5e block provided that ALL you have from the 5e is the bottom end that is from oil pan to block no engine mounts no mounts for anything else ?as for the fly wheel issue could the stock 5e fly wheel work with a good after macket cluch and preasure plate instead of drilling the 4e one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarletRick Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 it is a pain in the ass. MSN me if you want to chat about it. if theres a problem with a 5e swap. ive encountered it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SiCaln Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 testify! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dave-gtturbo Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Now this is probably the last time I will do this…..as it has been covered to death before……..also see http://hardcore.ep91.com/index_main.html He has a very good write up on it Also see http://www.bajanchameleon.com/5efhe_project.html (make sure u go to the bottom of each page and click the link to the following page) For an OEM 5efte CT9 build……here’s the spoon feeding list for all……… - 4efte rocket cover - 4efte or 5efhe/fe head…with either 4efte or 5efhe cams (MARGINALLY better)…..make sure u keep the shims with whatever cams u use…or reshimming may be necessary - 4efte head gasket…5efhe or trd head gaskets are also used (but trd raise compression somewhat) - 4efte intake manifold…5efhe ACIS can be use, but usually requires something to operate it properly - 5e block - 4efte pistons or some people shave the 5e pistons (TRIED and PROVEN by MANY),,,in fact some people shave the 4efte pistons……but then a lot of u guys are afraid to do this,,,,,,,,so stick to the oem 4efte ones then - 4efte piston rings, if u use 4efte pistons………..5e pistons rings if u use 5e psitons………there is a difference in part numbers,,,,,,,,,but people have been know to use any set with any pistons and they work fine - 5e rods…5efhe preferred for bigger boost,,,,,,,,5efe rods can be used if u don’t plan to over do it - 4e/5e cam gear/wheel...set timing using 5e mark.........and set base timing at 10 degrees.........or as desired, as some may want to retard base timing depending on set up and gas quality - 4efte injectors at MINIMUM - 4e/5e oem fuel pressure regualtor or aftermarket unit...run anywhere from 2.3 to 3 bar on initial set up,,,BUT depends again on your set up......tune to suit - 4e/5e fuel rail - 5e idler and tensioner pulleys - 4e/5e crank gear - 5e tming belt - 4efte ecu, harness and map sensor at minimum.....the greddy ultimate on the 5e ecu or 4efte ecu is also great for fine tuning... - 5e crank…..some prefer 5efhe crank (stamped “5e”) on it……while others use the “3e” marked crank which comes in some 5e blocks - 5e thrust washers - 5e flywheel (200mm)……or redrilled 4efte flywheel (212mm), again, has been done several times, just make sure you have a competent machinist………OR try to get the 5e bolt pattern flywheel that holds the 212mm clutch set up (usually found on some 3E engines) - 5e clutch and 5e pressure plate OR 4efte clutch and 4efte pressure plate….NOT to be mixed and matched - 5e/4e oil pump……….make sure u get the one that matches what is there………as far as I’m aware they are two types - 4e or 5e oil relief valve - 4efte oil pick up and 4efte sump…OR 5e oil pick up and 5e sump….to be used together and not in combinations………i.e. choose one and use both units together…..note,,,u wouldhave to drill and tap the 5e sump for the oil return - 5e connecting bearings…make sure u get the correct sizes---check the back of the used one - 5e main bearings ---- make sure u get the correct sizes---check the block and crank and do some adding of the numbers or check the back of the used one - 4efte exhaust manifold…BEWARE a custom unit is preferred as the oem unit is VERY restrictive on the 5e - 1 ct9 turbo and downpipe with all gaskets ---IF u are going to use the ct9 turbo for a short while……also, your muffler may need a slight extension as the 5e block is about 10mm taller…..else use whatever set up (turbo) u plan to run along with supporting exhaust manifold and downpipe - 4e/5e water pump and hoses - 4efte thermostat, housing and sensors - 4e/5e gearbox/transmission - 4efte distributor or 5efhe distributor…..same basic unit - 4efte plug wires - 5e timing covers - 5e oil/dip stick and housing - 4efte TMIC----NOT the best idea,,,but would work for ct9 set up…..if u already have a FMIC set up,,,use it back - 1 gallon oil - 1 pouch of sealant - 1 oil filter…4e/5e…same thing - 1 gallon coolant - 4 spark plugs - 1 cam shaft seal - 1 crank shaft seal (front) - 1 crank shaft seal (rear) - 2 turbo water lines if required---depends on turbo unit use - 1 oil line - 1 oil return line - all rubber gaskets - all other asscessories from 4efte….a/c, p/s, alternator, etc install,,,,run in……..and maybe get tuned if you are smart areas to be cautious of: - power steering pump....u may need to custom make a bracket or just use the adjuster piece to hold it in placeThats everything apparently Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarletRick Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 agreed, except. you dont use the 5e marks when timing. it runs like a piece of shit. use the 4e marks.you can use a 4e tensioners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ivan Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 agreed, except. you dont use the 5e marks when timing. it runs like a piece of shit. use the 4e marks.you can use a 4e tensioners.Thats only because you must have done something wrong.USE THE 5E MARKS ON A 5E BLOCK!USE THE 4E MARKS ON A 4E BLOCK!Ivan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarletRick Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 sure it runs better when you use the 4e timing marks on a 5e with a turbo. ive tried both. it made more power when using the 4e markings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AZE@A&G_TUNING Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 sure ;) it runs better when you use the 4e timing marks on a 5e with a turbo. ive tried both. it made more power when using the 4e markings.is it proven using the 4e marks gives u more power because if so id beter change mine before mapping Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarletRick Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 mine ran like a bag of shit with the timing at 5e, i set it at 4e and its fine. the 5e marks on the cam, give a slight overlap on the valves. which is great for an NA engine. you need to spin em slightly to get them closed and to stop the overlap, which is good for turbos, hence the 4e marking. a perfect setup would be using the 4e markings, and having some fine adjustment on the cam gear itself to account for the extra height in the block. but that is effort. the 5e marks will work. but are not an ideal compression setup for a turbo.but you know, what do i know, its not like ive done it or anything, ivan said use the 5e marks so he must be right, hes a hero ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AZE@A&G_TUNING Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 mine ran like a bag of shit with the timing at 5e, i set it at 4e and its fine. the 5e marks on the cam, give a slight overlap on the valves. which is great for an NA engine. you need to spin em slightly to get them closed and to stop the overlap, which is good for turbos, hence the 4e marking. a perfect setup would be using the 4e markings, and having some fine adjustment on the cam gear itself to account for the extra height in the block. but that is effort. the 5e marks will work. but are not an ideal compression setup for a turbo.but you know, what do i know, its not like ive done it or anything, ivan said use the 5e marks so he must be right, hes a hero ;)Cool well il try it and see what happens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarletRick Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 yaeh dude its worth a go. admittedly my cams are far from standard. but it works perfectly. its almost 290 hp at 1.2bar so its doing something right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Starbus Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 http://www.bajanchameleon.com/5efhe_project.html Sorry but there are sooo many errors in the above it's unreal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GAZ@A&G_TUNING Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 mate are you on about this thread of that link you put up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Starbus Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 mate are you on about this thread of that link you put up?In the link. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefy Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Can anyone comment on this I did.a 5e conversion and mine strungles to start when its cold and runs ruff waa do I do shal I set the timming to 4e?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Addymk2 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Can anyone comment on this I did.a 5e conversion and mine strungles to start when its cold and runs ruff waa do I do shal I set the timming to 4e??Yes. That's what the thread says. 5 year thread resurrection, that's good going! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gorganl2000 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 some people run 4e marks, others run 5e marks, there has been a lot of discussion on the topic....so depending on who you ask the answer may vary can you shed a little more light about your build? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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