siren676 Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 Ok so im planning on swapping out my 4efe for a 5efhe. Need as much info so the swap can be done within a week.Ill be collecting parts so it can be all done at once.I have searched the site and found barely any info on the swap.I know that the loom will have to be modified to make it work.I am friends with an auto electrician who can make me a loom with starlet interior and cynos/paseo/sera engine loom.I will get this done with a 4efe and 5efhe loom so i can keep my car on the road while i am collecting the parts.Could someone please shed some light on this swap or point me towards someones build thread?Cheers, Daniel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micky boy Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 To be honest i dont think anyone has ever done the conversion well not a naturally aspirated 5efhe anyway, hence why you cant find any info.As for getting the Engine in that shouldnt be a problem as the 4e and the 5e have the same engine mounts so thats that sorted lol..As for the engine loom cant you just keep the 4e loom and just buy an aftermarket ECU?.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
siren676 Posted December 26, 2010 Author Share Posted December 26, 2010 Maybe a first for UKStarletFinding the parts wont be a problem as there is a wreckers about 15mins away with all the parts i need.The guy who will be helping me do the conversion has a ep71 with a 5efhte (still high comp) so ill try get some info from him and post it here.I cant really afford an aftermarket ecu so im just going to use the 5efhe's one for now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SiCaln Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 One of our members has tried this before, he wasn't able to achieve it, had all manner of wiring issues - can't find the info now but it's Scutch0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mk1kurt Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 well actually not a first as i am in the prossess mate although i havent picked my engine up yet keep me posted as i will you mate kurt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mk1kurt Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 make your own loom that is what i am doing matey simple enough to do could you also as your mate as i will be turbocharging that in the near future what power is he running ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
siren676 Posted December 26, 2010 Author Share Posted December 26, 2010 The guys brother will be doing the loom work so it will be all ready for when i do the conversion.Cant find any of his latest dyno runs but september 09 it was doing 108kw@wheels, 392nm torque on 9psi boost.All he has done is put the fte gear on the fhe and i think also raised the compression.His latest run was 13.22@100.85mph on 10psi. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mk1kurt Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 ah right not too sound rude or anything like that but that isnt a great result tbh as people get faster than that on 4e are the internals standard also what turbo is he running?as i aim to go greddy td05 20g with a race tech manifold low comp pistons mahusive head gasketkurt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan-11 Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 ah right not too sound rude or anything like that but that isnt a great result tbh as people get faster than that on 4e are the internals standard also what turbo is he running?as i aim to go greddy td05 20g with a race tech manifold low comp pistons mahusive head gasketkurtI would say 13.2 at only 10psi is a good quarter mile time, i wouldnt say theres alot of people running faster than that with only 10psi on a 4e Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mk1kurt Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 no i didnt mean it like that dudeer i ment 13.2 for that engine isnt good the 4e would probably be at 1bar to do that timeshort end poeple get 350 bhp all day long out of a 5e and i was expecting more from itkurt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan-11 Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 no i didnt mean it like that dudeer i ment 13.2 for that engine isnt good the 4e would probably be at 1bar to do that timeshort end poeple get 350 bhp all day long out of a 5e and i was expecting more from itkurtYeah mate i get what your saying but siren676 said he is only running 108kw at 10 psi with is only about 145bhp with is a good time for that power. im sure if he was runnin 350bhp he would have a much faster time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
llawgoch Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 its a 108 kw at the wheels aswell, so about 175 bhp at the flywheel. which is orite for 10 psi on a ct9 (im assuming) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
siren676 Posted December 27, 2010 Author Share Posted December 27, 2010 Yeah hes still using a standard ct9, and it is his daily driver. Hes currently trying to get into the 12's without going to a bigger turbo or using nitrous Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mk1kurt Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 could you find out a spec list from him please kurt* edit i mean what ecu does he use and injectors, fuel pump, intercooler, manifold, engine internals are they standard 5efhe ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pierros Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 (edited) Well I've made a 5E-FHE swap to my Paseo and I used a Glanza V loom and PnP stand alone ECU (EP91 Apexi PFC) which is far more complicated, so probably it won't be that hard to swap from a 4E. Have a look here at my thread. http://www.ukstarletclub.com/forums/index....showtopic=14643 Edited December 28, 2010 by Pierros Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mk1kurt Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 thanks pierros dude big help to me matekurt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
siren676 Posted December 29, 2010 Author Share Posted December 29, 2010 could you find out a spec list from him please kurt* edit i mean what ecu does he use and injectors, fuel pump, intercooler, manifold, engine internals are they standard 5efhe ?This is his build thread on StarletCentral (nz starlet site) you may have to sign up to see it. http://forums.starletcentral.co.nz/viewtop...f=24&t=6362.Well I've made a 5E-FHE swap to my Paseo and I used a Glanza V loom and PnP stand alone ECU (EP91 Apexi PFC) which is far more complicated, so probably it won't be that hard to swap from a 4E. Have a look here at my thread. http://www.ukstarletclub.com/forums/index....showtopic=14643Thanks mate thats really helpful. I think ill stick with the stock fhe ecu to make the install a bit easier. Ill probably get a stand alone ecu later in the year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Enzo Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 for simplicity you could run itt off the standard loom and ecu, injectors and tb.then when funds allowbuy management(emanage)plug in your larger 225cc injectors 7afe tband remap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
siren676 Posted January 4, 2011 Author Share Posted January 4, 2011 Im going to use the all 5e parts to get it running.Then probably get those upgrades.I put in an order for an engine yesterday, its got 180,000k's on it but runs perfectly. Its non-acis but i will be getting an acis intake at some point as the 5e loom is for an acis model.If all goes well i should have all the parts ready for the swap by the end of february. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pierros Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Thats good news, keep us up to date with your progress (the non-Acis 5efhe is probably from a Sera or a 2nd Gen Cynos). Running the stock ACIS loom and ECU will make things far more easier (and cheaper as you will not need an rpm controller to run the ACIS when you'll install it). Also keep the 5e-fhe exh. manifold and modified it to fit (don't swap it with 5e-fe of 4e-fe, its far better, except if you go for an aftermarket). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
siren676 Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 Thanks PierrosIll try to find an acis manifold before i do the swap, i think ill just stay with the fhe 4-2-1 exhaust manifold as i dont think there are any suppliers in New Zealand who can get me anything aftermarket.Im currently running a fhe exhaust mani on my 4efe so i hope the guy didnt change anything on it. Otherwise i can just use the one that is coming on the engine.How hard was it to +t your motor? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pierros Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) How hard was it to +t your motor?Didn't got the question mate.... Edited January 5, 2011 by Pierros Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mk1kurt Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Thanks pieross and enzo big help thanks brilint Kurt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raffi Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I am running a forged 5efhe Turbo with Acis intake manifold and E-manage Ultimate.I have used a 4efte loom that had been modified.Acis is controlled by the E-manage.And a friend of mine, here on UKSC, was running a 5efhe with Acis and a supercharger and E-manage Ultimate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mk1kurt Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 What's the preformance figures at what boot rafi? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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