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Hey guys, i need some advice on the 4AGE blacktop 20v engine to go into my EP91.

I have been told by fensport that the driveshafts of the Starlet is different to other toyotas... this means that if i were to put this engine into my EP, i would need to get some custom driveshafts.

My questions are the basics like do you know of anyone that has done it before that i could ask, i've asked on the austarlet club, but no reply currently..

Open to all suggestions and advice really...

T

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yea, i dont actualy think its been done over here yet,

crazystarlet on the site is considering doing it at the moment. hes of the view of getting a mk1 mr2 with the blue top 16valve 4age and use that as a conversion poiont but is undecided at the moment weather or not to go balls out with a silver or black top 20 valve

i dont think its been done over here yet,

but jamaica and australia aswell as the states in the tercel which shares the same chassis as the starlet

your best bet would be to look on tercelonline.com and doing a few serches on there as this conversion has been done many a time so they will be best to advise you on what parts you need to acumilate

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im so close to starting a 16v 4age conversion i js need a run around which is currently being repaired i have measured it up and it looks to me as if i mite have to take some of the passengers side chassis member out becoz the engines nearly 2" wider and driveshafts will prob be bodged until i am happy with the engine running sweet,

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Ahh, cool man, yer, i've spoken to some people, one person in particular is a guy named simon. He put a 3sgte engine into a starlet and he was jus talking me through what he did. I think my mechanic has a way round the driveshafts but we shall see. I should be ordering the engine on monday (tomorrow) but they say its something like 2 weeks delivery atm because they quite busy with gearboxes n stuff... I shall inform you of any progress in the extreme ep rides section when there is news.

Austarletclub hasnt replied tho di low. ;) Ive had 36 views but no replies.. :) o well, now is the time to begin. But thanks for your comments, let us know how its going aswell morgey!

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dude if you go to the guys thred(tomikayr or something like that ausc) with the green ep that has the conversion and post in there a few times you will probably get a quicker reply than with your own post,

also if you could get in contact with rory daily(hardcore ep) if you send him a message or an email im sure he could help you out as he knows some about this conversion also :)

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Yer, thanks guys. I read someone else's post about something similar and they said to contact 4agze because hes done it. I sent one person a direct message he's called 4agze or somthing like that, but no reply yet, but i think ive found out enough now.

The engine has been ordered from fensport and shall arrive 1 week wednesday. Let the plans commence!

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Heres a link to thier site sparky boy.

http://www.fensport.co.uk/products.htm

I just went for the 4AGE black top 20v 5 speed, non LSD as i have heard some things about them.

If your interested you can work out a price. Those prices dont include VAT tho. Delivery is £75. Hope it helps dude, when are you doing yours?

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Cheers T ;)

Still undecided on what to do, was going to build a 5efte over a year or so then drop it in but the black top has also been on the cards fro a while.

Just seen the complete coversion kit for £1250 or the same price for teh 4AGZE supercharged :p

Would the GZE be possible? :)

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Anything is possible, jus depends on how far into your bank you wanna raid lol.

However, the guy i spoke to on the phone about when he put a 3sgte into a starlet, said it isnt worth the hassle, and he said he isn't going to do it again lol. But he said mine should be easier as its a smaller engine and i dont have a turbo to worry about lol. The 4agze is possible, its been done, jus recieved an email from a guy from the aussie forum that i directly emailed, he's done it and has a site.

http://www.freewebs.com/4agze/index.htm

I was considering the supercharged version before, but i decided not to go for it. The only difference in the power is the supercharger delivers much more torque, but with such a light and small car, your more likely to get alot of wheelspin at the start, thats what turned me away, but its all up to you man. Either way it'll be interesting to see what you do.

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Yeah as said above anything is possible, I think I saw something like this on www.twincam.info. 5efte would be easier to "drop in" than a 4agze and would aslso give more power I would of thought as its a turbo. Where as a 20v 4agte would be insane!

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Hi everyone in the YOO KAY.

My name is Dan, and I've just completed a silvertop into my EP91.

I won't give away exactly what you need to do, as no-one would tell me.

But I'll give you a few hints and leads.

You need to cut one of the chassis rails to get it to fit. You will not get it in there without cutting.

If you cut right side, you won't need custom driveshafts, BUT I think the chassis is severly weakened and needs some major reconstruction.

Cut left side for gearbox clearance and you will need custom shafts.

I cut left side ;)

Slide show of some guy putting a 4age 16v into ep80

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/04ad312...82b014556fc.htm

These guys have done/seen a few, lots of threads turn into off topic banter, but some good info in there.

http://www.wheelsjamaica.com/wheels_forum/...&board=88.0

http://boardv5.tercelonline.com/viewthread.php?tid=20240

http://boardv5.tercelonline.com/viewthread.php?tid=25839 pics of a left side cut

http://boardv5.tercelonline.com/viewthread.php?tid=32751

http://boardv5.tercelonline.com/viewthread.php?tid=25130

http://boardv5.tercelonline.com/viewthread...101&page=12 pics of a right side cut rail

This should be a massive kick start!

GOODLUCK

My missus's GT turbo is faster, but I've yet to add any boost to my motor :)

Dan

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welcome to the club mate, please introduce yourself on the forums and share with us any ep rides you and your missus might have in the rides section,

would love to see more pics of your conversion man ! :)

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Alright!

Sorry if this is taking over your post, but i was just wonderin.. im thinkin about the 1.6 twincam conversion from the mk1 MR2... i was just wonderin if the gearbox is gonna line up or not, anyone know?

Cheers..

CK

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I'm afraid i can't help with that question... but if its the same as the 4age black top version being a 4age gearbox and a 5 speed... i might be able to let you know when we get to working on it as soon as it arrives. In the meantime you can try asking on the aussie site or wait for a friendly reply here.

But from what i hear, the gearbox may not fit the starlet bell housing or somthing like that... i hope somone can elaborate on that or correct me if im wrong.

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