actually, would you beleive, that isnt me! but Simon (paseo77 ithink) told me about this, mad me piss myself when i heard they banned him because they think its me! worst way of putting it mate, from a kiddies point of veiw like mine! you have a 14 year old sis? na, im kiddin mate, got a girlfriend, stressfull enough and im not doing the rising sun for definate, im looking at other ideas... just not the nintendo desing i found on a honda rocker cover... im still looking for ideas. the paseoclub ban was because i fought back against the moderators after such a piss take, but now they ban other members and accusing them of being me if you can give me a chance, and if i stay well away from riko, i can behave myself, but, from the past, me and riko dont get on, so if anywhere near him we wind each other up (winds me up more though ) and i think, not sure if it was what you meant Phil, but i think i have come up with a descent picture in my mind of what i might do, so cheers pal should you know i have... you know what, i do, but im too lazy and busy with the car to be bothered to fix what is broken... and @ all of you apron wearing people.... forget aprons, just cook with normal clothes on... looks better ;)