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Is the power steering pump bracket you mentioned part of the 4efte engine? 

14 hours ago, Sam44 said:

the 4efte distributor/head mounting point, is there a cap/cover on the 4efe e11 to blank this off and mount the dizless coils in the distributors place

Should I send you another picture for the corner or this is enough? Is the cap cover the plastic boxes on the side?

i found this  maybe it helps 

Starlet Glanza V 1998 4efte

http://www.japan-parts.eu/toyota/jp/1998/starlet/ep91-agmqy/4_121150_006_/tool-engine-fuel/1901_ignition-coil-spark-plug

 Corolla E11 1998 4efe

http://www.japan-parts.eu/toyota/eu/1999/corolla-hb-lb/ee111r-agmdkw/3_153540_038_/tool-engine-fuel/1901_ignition-coil-spark-plug

10 hours ago, Sam44 said:

this is the pipe that will require fabrication

This is the original 4efte pipe? How will I have to fabricate the modified pipe? Isn’t there any on the market? Any drawing or measures?

Hi. I am working on a project. About to swap 4efe with a ep91 4efte and as I will get an after market fuel pump and piggyback to get more hp, I was considering to keep the electronic ignition the 1998 4efe Corolla runs. What do you suggest? Thanks

On 10/8/2020 at 5:01 PM, Sam44 said:

 

I have a wiring diagram here that provides the additional wiring and ECU pin outs to make a harness that will plug and play to the ep82 4efte factory ems unit with some pin swaps

a few questions I still need answers to 

Don’t forget to give me this info to add the my swap project.do I need to replace the 4efe gearbox clutch to the 212 mm you suggested when swapping tto the 4efte? DoI have modify the 4efte manifold and turbo down-pipe to avoid hitting the Corolla crossmembers? How? How do I have to modify the 4efte front and rear mount to fit in and fit the 4efe gearbox? How will I adapt the  4efe inlet to the 4efte throttlebody? How will I move the 4efe air box sensor th the 4efte throttlebody? Where exactly should it go? Ho will I adapt the 4efe electronic ignition system to the 4efte engine and how will it run with the 4efte ECU I will install with the new engine? Any pictures and diagrams to make it happen smoothly? How will I adapt the 4efe steering wheel to fit oil channel to the turbo etc? 

2 hours ago, Sam44 said:

Sorry about delay on the information, I'm at a very important stage of my work and it's taking all my attention. I'll get you the info required this weekend. 

No worries. Take your time  When I collect the last details I can plan to swap with my mechanic and finally find the engine and the extra parts you suggested.

18 minutes ago, Sam44 said:

I'm going a write up now. 

Thank you very much. 

17 minutes ago, Sam44 said:

Yep keep the 4efe loom and ECU. You just need the piggy recommended. And the 4efte engine complete. 

This way it will be much easier but I will have to replace every connection from one engine to the other. What about the extra wires and sensors that come with the 4EFTE? Do you have a short list for safety swap? Thanks

On 11/10/2020 at 9:33 AM, Claymore said:

I would keep the 4efe gearbox that you have in the corolla. It should hold the power you want.

As far as I know the corolla manifold will fit to the 4efte head.

But be careful as there are 2 different heads. 

One type of 4efte head has an extra water outlet that is blocked by the 4efte inlet manifold. The other type of head has no water outlet.

Water outlet type:

Water outlet not covered by manifold.

You would have to weld some material to the inlet manifold flange to cover the hole IF you have the 4efte head with the water outlet.

Apparently late ep91 4EFTE engines don’t have the water outlet on the head.

On 11/12/2020 at 6:53 PM, Sam44 said:

I'll do a full write up soon. Times limited just at the min with my work just at present be patient and I'll get it up. 

You do not need the 4efte engine loom or ecu.

You mean that I could keep the 4EFE loom and ECU? I thought that when you swap with the 4EFTE you need its own ECU and loom. Let me know what you mean. I am referring to your first post with the swap details you gave me. Very thankful. 
 

@Sam44 Tje Corolla 4efe gearbox is a C56. Correct? It will bolt in easily to the 4efte ep91?

What modification is required to

Adapt the 4efe front mount  to fit the 4efte front engine in the E11 Corolla?

adapt the Corolla E11 steering pump to work with the 4efte?

adapt the Corolla 4efe air box sensor to the Corolla Inlet adapted to the 4efte turbo?

What about the cat 02 sensor? Is it included with the 4efte?

Does the map sensor come with the 4efte engine or should I buy it separately. ECU, loom and wiring to the fuse original box box are included.

thank you

On 11/12/2020 at 9:40 AM, Sam44 said:

The piggy back ECU will wirer in straight to your original 4efe ECU.

I thought we were speaking about the swap with the 4EFTE engine. 

On 11/12/2020 at 6:53 PM, Sam44 said:

You do not need the 4efte engine loom or ecu.

You mean that I could buy the 4EFTE engine without gearbox and without ECU and loom? Just manifold, intercooler and turbo. Correct? How do you see the swap done without the original loon? I would have to use the 4EFE Corolla E11 loom? You told me there are more sensors on the 4EFTE engine. How am I gonna manage that? Let me know when you have time. Thanks

On 11/12/2020 at 9:40 AM, Sam44 said:

The piggy back ECU will wirer in straight to your original 4efe ECU.

I thought we were speaking about the 4efe to 4EFTE swap. I thought that the piggyback should connect to the 4EFTE ECU.

On 10/10/2020 at 12:51 AM, Sam44 said:

I've been looking at corrola makes and models/years today. It will be the dissless\waste spark system on your corrola is alot better system compared to the distributor 4efte type, which in all honesty I'd keep and use a piggy back control unit to allow you to alter fueling/fuel cut and ignition timing. The detmaster 3 seems to be a great bit of kit for £150. 

You will make good power. 

You should not have a problem finding someone to map it. Its very user friendly. 

I can do you a wiring diagram if you do fancy converting the engine wiring to accept a GT turbo ECU. 

There are afew component plugs and components you will need. Listed in my first reply. 

The jap 4efte powered cars did not run immobiliser either. 

I'd also replace the corrola fuel pump with a good aftermarket proformance pump. 

Also you will want the 295cc light gray denso injectors off the 4efte good for around 190hp, can be pushed to around 230hp but not recommended. 

And either a 4efte 212mm clutch that fits the 4efte flywheel or the uprated aftermarket 200mm 4efe corrola clutch kit that fits the factory 4efe flywheel. You will struggle to get more than 130hp on the standard 4efe clutch. The 212mm factory clutch normally see around 190hp before slipping. 

What are you getting with the 4efte engine in the way of bolt on components?

The power steering pump will also require a modification/extra bracket making in order to fit a modified 4efte engine to steering pump lower mount. It will be easier to do this then fit the ep82/ep91 power steering pump to the corrola (different piping)

Hi Sam. I was reading your early posts. How will the Piggyback connect to the 4efte ECU? Can you send me or post the wiring diagram you told me about?.Can you give me more details about the Corolla 4efe steering pump modification for the 4efte engine conversion? 

i’m putting together the basic list with the information you gave me these last weeks to see total prices and proceed with the purchase of the  4efte engine. Thank you. 

9 hours ago, Claymore said:

Maybe you could make a list of parts you think you need from the information on this thread and people will advise if its ok?

 

Wise. From all the information that these amazing guys gave me I shall put myself a short list together and wait for feedbacks. Fact is that I am not an expert like you guys are. My concern was to follow somebody’s lead and bye the extra components with the full engine and make sure I wouldn’t have to put on hold the conversion as my mechanic won’t let me do it.

What learned so far Is that I need an EP 91 4EFTE complete engine with uncut fuse box with a ct9b turbo. I will need a high-performance fuel pump. Minimum maintainance such as water pump and belts. I will get my custom exhaust welded to the 4efte manifold. The airbox sensor should be adapted in the inlet but I don’t know how. The ECU will go straight in. The fuse box swap will be quite easy I guess because I will be able to unplug and plug step-by-step every wire. About the gearbox. It should go straight in the 4EFE gearbox that @Sam44 told me has shorter gears as the car is heavier compared to a Starlet  It will be better to drive. I read about an adaption I should make to fit the engine using a custom aluminum 2 mm thickness to avoid an oil leak. I have to go back to see exactly what was it about. The front and rear 4efte loom mount should be straightforward. The steering pump works perfect for the conversion. This is what I read about but I also read that there is a fix to pick up the oil for the turbo. This is something else I should get details about.

This is what I gathered so far and I should get more details about the mechanical fixes that has to be done precisely in order to discuss it with the mechanic.

7 hours ago, Sam44 said:

as said by claymore me personally id get a 1998 glanza v 4efte complete with turbo (ct9b).@ 60k km it should be in great working order.  

to identify a ct9b turbo = on the alloy compressor housing it has no raised CT9 markings cast into the housing. the earlier ct9a does. ill put up a picture of the difference. also the ct9b has 9 blades in total on the exhaust turbine. 

the ct9b only came on the later glanza v engines. 

ct9b pictures below 

 

 

ct9a pictures below

 

 

 

Interesting. Thank you for sharing. How can I identify this detail when I buy an engine from the UK. Should I ask the seller to get the turbo apart and confirm it is the turbo I’m looking for?

I’m loving this conversation. Very interesting. Still sitting tight to understand if I should rather buy a complete 4EFTE engine without gearbox to be adapted on my 4EFE or either turbocharge my 4EFE. I heard a lot and nothing seems the perfect choice. As MY mechanic DOESN’t have experience on this particular engine, I cannot risk to start a conversion and drown my budget. Could  you guys please help me before I go the wrong way? I really need a list of components I shall buy for either options. A list of components, tips and brand. Two turbo charge my engine I will need a lot of 4EFTE parts that I don’t know for sure I would find. This way I can search for prices and see which option would be cheaper. I remind that I own a Corolla E11 with a 1998 4efe with 230k Km. 4efte engines like the one I have ready to buy has 60k Km.

1 hour ago, Sam44 said:

what is the rpm limiter set at on your e11?

I am not sure because I never brought it to the limiter. I have always change the gear at about 6000 RPM. I believe as you said it is around 6400 RPM. 

1 hour ago, Sam44 said:

you also need to mount the inlet temp sensor into the intake manifold

Thank you. I know where it’s housed but I don’t know how to put it into the inlet manifold. Do you have a picture or can you explain it to me?

17 hours ago, Sam44 said:

yeh the gearbox will suit the heavier car better. 

i will message you the engine price.  

Thanks

6 hours ago, Claymore said:

One type of 4efte head has an extra water outlet that is blocked by the 4efte inlet manifold. The other type of head has no water outlet.

Is there a code who identifies these two types of heads? Thanks

On 10/30/2020 at 11:47 AM, Claymore said:

Turbocharge the 4efe engine that is already in the car. Should be good for 150ps and last an ok amount of time (depending on condition of engine, maintenance etc. Low cost option.

4efte engine swap (with or without gearbox) good for around 220ps assuming the engine is actually any good. Medium cost.

If I could get some of you guys to do the job I would turbocharge my engine and get a decent amount of horsepower (180 max) for a daily use. The fact that there is no mechanic here that has a complete vision of the project it worries me and pulls me back. Even if you could forge a 4EFE engine, I still would have to put all the other parts together as you listed and buying all those components, the 4EFTE parts and the new parts such as turbo and piggyback, it would cost me more than what I think. Probably. This is why it’s safer to swap it with a 4EFTE and get my shop to work only on some detail, like fuse box wiring and fitting the intercooler. I am sure they could do it well even if they don’t have experience on these engines.

I can buy a 4EFTE with fuse box, ECU, loom, IC and everything else ready for swap with a 4AFE gearbox. The seller told me that the box is strong as the 4EFTE is. This will save me 250 pounds. I would buy a new fuel pump, water pump, belts and get it running. I need information to adapt the Corolla 4EFE inlet to the 4EFTE engine. I would keep the Corolla steering pump as you guys said. Basically I’m looking for a list to get everything done right. Can you help?  I’m ready to purchase the engine. Now it’s all about how much information I can gather before I proceed. Thanks

28 minutes ago, Sam44 said:

i will message you the engine price.

Thanks

On 10/28/2020 at 7:22 PM, Calum122 said:

Forging the engine and rebuild is going to cost you £2000. But that money is well spent as you can have a fully rebuilt motor ready to rock and roll. Without the faff of swapping engines.

Can you please help with a list and with some technical step by step process? I’d do it your way but The people I know here don’t have the confidence you guys have forging a 4efe and putting it together with turbo, IC, bolts, oil pipes, steering pump modification and mapping would cost me a lot. I would need to buy the 4EFTE components plus the turbo and the intercooler. The forged engine would cost at least €2000 and all together at least €4000? Including the piggyback of course. I have a budget limit and I’m scared to get stuck.

Aboit the swap option. I found a 4efte engine in without box for about £1600 and the shop told me I should use a 4afe box instead of my Corolla e11 4efe box. They said that the 4afe box is strong as the 4efte is. The 4efe won’t resist the torque. He would sell me the 4afe box for £350. Shipment to Italy would be £159. The engine comes from a half cut so they will get the fuse box out. It means less drama to connect it to the Corolla fuse box. ECU is easy to place. What about the loom and sensors? How to adapt the 4efe inlet to the 4efte engine? You guys told me it’s more efficient. What about the gearbox bolts? I read so much about missing holes and stuff like that. I just wanna give a step by step list to my mechanic to save labor time and get this amazing project going. It would be the first #turborolla in Italy! Hope you can help.