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19 hours ago, Claymore said:

For Toyota genuine parts most people use amayama: https://www.amayama.com/en

Very thankful. I went to check out all the parts they should buy and I found the most critical parts that are better to be original. Spark plugs and other bits can be OEN. I’ll buy the fuel pump you told me about on eBay. The rest on tuning developments. This will be in January though. We’ll figure out what will happen with import taxes. 

I got two questions. One is about the exhaust picture regarding Glanza V. Why are there two types of attach to the engine? I thought there was only one type of engine. Probably is because of the difference between the two transmissions?

Second question regarding the picture with the belt sets. As my Corolla mount the air conditioning compressor, I should probably get the Glenn’s of the belt set with the belt for the air conditioning that I will adapt on my Corolla compressor. Is that correct?

5 hours ago, Claymore said:

Id workz sell Walbro 255's.

For Toyota genuine parts most people use amayama: https://www.amayama.com/en

I appreciate that. I will do a list and check prices. 

3 hours ago, Sam44 said:

tuning developments

I’ve been on the website for the last 30 minutes and I checked all the prices for the replacement parts I need to refresh the engine. It is obviously better to buy them OEM, but prices would go up exponentially. The only OEM part I would buy would be the head gasket but I shouldn’t need it considering that I don’t have to open the engine.

what do you think?

2 minutes ago, Sam44 said:

you simply just install it in place of the old unit. you will have to cut the 2x wires and join them to the new pump

Thanks. I remember you suggested this one

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WALBRO-255-FUEL-PUMP-FIT-for-toyota-STARLET-TURBO-EP82-EP91-NEXT-DAY-UK-ON-NOW-/153125021594

1 hour ago, Sam44 said:

ill look for the bonnet scoop seal now, see if i can find a picture. 

Thank you. I really don’t have a clue.

The Corolla fuel pump is enough to do his job with the 4efte engine? What parameters are set as default and how should a new fuel pump be set?

here’s the Corolla electric pump. 

3 hours ago, Sam44 said:

bonnet scoop seal

Is it this plastic cover on the IC?

On 9/18/2010 at 11:49 PM, miib14 said:

found this on AUSC

 

You have 2 options.

1: 4efte transplant from ep82 GT or glanza V (technically should only be from glanzaV)

2: 4efet (turbo your 4efe stocko engine)

 

Option 1 should give you 100kW at the fly

Option 2 should give you appx 135kW at the fly

 

First of all, differences / similarities between the turbo import engine and the stocko Aus engine:

Block is the same

Crank is the same

Cams are very similar, 1mm difference

EP91 fuel pump is stock supra fuel pump, -can support a large demand

No extra oil squirters

 

Compression ratio from 9.6 - 8.2 (Pistons slightly larger to make this)

4efte gearbox stronger

4efte connecting rods thicker

4efte clutch slightly stronger

4efte oil sump has oil return from turbo

4efte oil pump different

4efte crankpulley (harmonic stabiliser) substantially heavier

4efte drive shafts thicker

4efte supsension slightly different

4efte injectors larger to support boost

 

That being said, there are 4efe's that have been turbo charged and been running powerfully happy at 15psi for many km's

 

 

OPTION 1

 

Positives with transplant:

Bolt in fit

Fairly cheap

Should get some funky white Glanza V dials

Should be able to sell some parts for money if not needed

Should only be one - two days labour to drop everything

Goes fast

 

Negatives with transplant:

The engine could be in bad condition, it has happened in the past

Water pump / timing belt / fuel / oil filters / oil should be replaced

Transport of the half cut

Needs EPA tests and engineering to register

 

Expected Costs:

Half cuts range from $1500-$3500

$500 exhaust (cat, catback, muffler, fitting)

$40 Oil

$16 Spark plugs

$30 Fuel Filter

$7 Oil Filter

$65 Timing belt

$150 Water pump

$1000 labour (maybe cheaper if import is GlanzaV)

Free: EPA test

$120-$500 Engineers Certificate

 

Overall budget of transplant:

DIY: $3000-$4500

Pro: $4000-$5500

 

 

OPTION 2

 

Positives:

Will go crazy fast, much more power than stock CT9 4efte engine

Engine no. remains the same (no engineers cert / EPA test required)

Some items upgraded would have to be upgraded in transplant engine if more power was desired anyhow (such as intercooler, clutch etc)

Kit available with much success

Running higher compression will give better off boost performance

 

Negatives:

Cost

Gearbox has to be treated with more respect

Brakes aren't as great as import half cut

Many things are required to happen to do this upgrade

 

Expected Costs:

$300 2nd hand turbo

$3160 Comprehensive turbo kit (including ecu, manifold, lines, air filter, fuel regulator)

$1100 Turbo back exhaust (including dump, flex, cat, muffler, fitting)

$1275 Water / air intercooler (including piping, hoses, clamps etc)

$430 New clutch to hold the power

$300 Tune

$40 Turbo happy oil

$150 Injectors (such as 4agze)

 

 

Pro Installation:

$650 remove / install old / new turbo setup

$150 install water / air cooler

$250 clutch

 

Overall budget of 4efet

DIY: $6750

Pro: $7750

 

What corners you can cut:

Load preset on ECU by Dale, -$300 tune

Cheap 2nd hand intercooler + mild steel piping, -$600

Use stock clutch (will slip after 6psi), -$430

Cheapest budget cutting corners DIY: $5450

 

The difference in price is quite substantial, but so is the power output

 

 

 

After the conversion / turbo:

 

Further upgrades you can look at:

SUSPENSION! sway bars, camber kits, shocks, springs etc, very fun!

Even larger injectors

Fuel pump

Boost controllers

Limited slip differential

Engine internals

MORE boost wink.gif

More engineers cert's

@sam44 have you seen this old post? What do you think?

On 9/20/2010 at 1:22 AM, Amjad said:

Dunno bro that was what was putting me off converting my N/A!

 

I think it is quite a fiddly job tbh, try PMing Jay, he converted both Phil's & Joz's cars.

 

Also I think Aze & Gaz@ Pukka offer a 4efte conversion service, you could ask them? They do Starlets, but I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard/different with a Corolla that shares the same engine?

@AZE@A&G_TUNING Hi. This post is old but was wondering if you ever swap a 4efte in a Corolla 1998 E11. Like the rally WRC European version. Thanks

11 hours ago, Sam44 said:

yeh ill look now. 

if you are keeping the top mounted inter-cooler on the 4efte, you will  have to use the 4efte inlet manifold (the intercooler mounts to the 4efte manifold, also the throttle body from the 4efte engine does not fit on the corrola inlet (it overhangs on the inner face).if you are using the 4efte ecu and loom you will need to keep the 4efte throttle body and  inlet air temp sensor. 

also to make make the inte-cooler effective/efficient you need to seal to to the underside of the scoop (so get the glanza under bonnet scoop sealing panel if you can.  personally i would go fmic (front mount intercooler) they are not hard to fit and give great gains and safety. 

ill buy the inlet and cams and e11 engine loom and coil packs/oil pump. off you giving you some cash to send on the build.  you can keep the inlet for future mods (fmic) it does give much better low rpm torque.  

I'll be more than happy to sell you some parts as soon as the 4efte is up and running safe.

The reason I want t o keep the upper IC is because it looks good to have the scoop. It will save me 400 euros for the front IC and 150 euros for the IC pipes. That money will be spent on labor. Second phase will be dedicated to swap inlet, coil pack, fuel pump and IC. Ir will require mapping. Overall 1200 euros budget.

1 hour ago, Sam44 said:

remember to check previous posts on here to see what other items you need with the 4efte loom and ecu swap in. 

Yep I noted what you told me about the swap.

Switch the inlet sensor if I keep the Corolla Inlet. The other sensors should be on the engine.  As I am wapping ECUs and loom, the Corolla air box sensor should be useless right?

I’m still not sure about how to connect the water line for the 4EFTE turbo  I mean should I get the Starlet water pump? I’m pretty sure it has the turbo exit that the Corolla water pump doesn’t have. Or can I buy an aftermarket splitter?

The turbo oil pipe should be already attached to the engine. Correct? You suggested to change the rubber O-rings and the oil pump. Apparently the oil pump is the same between 4efe and 4efte. Please tell me if I’m saying something wrong here.

i’ll keep the Corolla AC oil steering pump, I Will keep the steering wheel oil pump pipe because the Corolla has a longer one.

please tell me if I said something wrong and I’m pretty sure I forgot something!

I am looking for the Glanza V ep91 loom wiring diagrams to swap them with the extra Corolla wires. Same for the fuse box. I will need both Glanza GTI and Corolla E11 diagrams. Can you help me find them?

@Sam44 @Claymore I have a simple question. how come the Toyota ECU that comes with the either 4efe or 4efte cannot be mapped?

On 10/30/2020 at 12:38 AM, Sam44 said:

tuning developmen

I went to check for the parts in a hypothetical plan to turbo charge my 4EFE and the prices for the turbo, the manifold and other parts are very expensive. I can imagine how much it would cost to buy a forged regenerated engine from them...

Considering the overall budget it is definitely better to take the risk buying a used 4efte. The engine I have apparently on hold (because I didn’t pay yet of course) will be detached from a Starlet half cut. If I will be lucky and the engine will be in good conditions, I will get the oil pump brackets. The shop promised me the fuse box with uncut wires. This plan will help avoid headaches.with all the risky piggyback management with the Corolla electronic ignition, map sensor and turbo that we didn’t yet figure out. A good mapping shop could cost €1000. They are the best but it is way too expensive for my pockets. I’ll start with 4efte ECU That will come with the engine. I will wait to buy the fuel pump and Piggyback. I will get the oil pipelines from the Starlet and concentrate on adapting the oil pump bracket to the Corolla steering pump, downpipe and exhaust. I will adapt the inlet sensor on the Corolla inlet and probably keep the original Intercooler top engine configuration and make a air intake in the hood. Still haven’t figured out what to do with the Corolla immobilizer. So far it would be 2000 and €300 including taxes to get the engine here. A few hundred euros for the water pump, the oil pump and oil seals. The guy from Greece who did the swap on the Corolla wrote me that I should get a 4efe’s E oil sump and switch it on the Corolla gearbox I am keeping. That I will have to find. The only thing I will buy so far will be nice pipe lines.

On 11/29/2020 at 10:38 AM, Sam44 said:

i need 1 returning to me

I’ll be more than happy to exchange brackets. I’m still in the process of understanding every step. It seems that certain things are not clear and I am not figuring out the right information from either of my sources. The fact that I have to pay labor is the element that could compromise my budget. I need to be sure I have everything I need before I buy the engine and I start the work. This includes the mechanic side, the electrical side with wiring, loom call mom fuse box and the most delicate with the piggyback mapping and map sensor. So I’m working on two sides. One is the complete swap including the 4efte ECU and the other is turbocharging my 4efe. Based on the information you gave me I could spend around €1500 for the parts (turbo, IC with pipes, oil and water lines, piggyback with extra wires and connectors, 4efte injectors, 212 mm clutch, fuel pump). The manifold and down-pipe would be customized by a shop for about €500. 4efte steering pump bracket. What did I forget? Which sensors and wiring are missing?

11 hours ago, Claymore said:

Maybe ask for some pictures of the brackets

I did. He said he doesn’t have any in the engine now is completely different. He went further with customization. He sent me a few pictures of how the engine is now. Programmed a ECU from scratch.

“I don't think I can help you with photos because I have changed so much. I have bigger turbo, custom oil lines to turbo, custom wiring for the ECU, coils instead of distributer”.

@Sam44 @Claymore 

Found this great guy from Greece who owns a Turborolla (4efte swap) he built in 2015.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/wgxyvdq/

Here’s what he told me.

“The 4efte has the same mounts as the 4efe so it doesn’t need anything else. You can keep your gearbox but it's wise to get the turbo version from the Starlet.

Also you'll need the ECU and the original wiring. The tricky part here is to match your wiring with the original. 

*Bonus tip. Swap the 4efe oil pan with the 4efte so you have better clearance for the exhaust. 

Some upgrades that might help you are to get rid of the stock intercooler and put a front mount one and a catback exhaust. With these minor upgrades the engine will produce roughly 150bhp.

I kept the Corolla steering pump but I used the starlet bracket. I don't know if the stock downpipe hits the front mount, it might, I right away installed a custom downpipe and full exhaust that a friend of mine helped me fabricate. .

I kept the Corolla original oil pipes.

You must get the steering pump brackets from the Starlet that will fit the Corolla A/C pump. Otherwise the turbocharger will hit the pump with the original Corolla brackets”.

On 10/30/2020 at 3:32 PM, Sam44 said:

Maybe he could add a list of what he used.

@Sam44 Did you ever hear back from the guy? I tries to talk to him on his youtube channel but he didn’t answer.

13 hours ago, Claymore said:

the reality is it can sometimes be frustrating

I’m pretty sure it won’t be easy. I will take a lot of pictures and build a nice thread. First step is to get the engine to my doorstep. 😅

On 11/22/2020 at 11:01 AM, Sam44 said:

aftermarket piggyback ecu

Hey Sam. What happens when I wire the 4efte engine in the Corolla and connect the 4EFE ECU. It shouldn’t work right? You suggested to get the Piggyback wired to the fe ECU. In this case how will I be able to drive to the shop that does ECU mapping? It’s like 20 miles drive.

The second option would be to spend more time to put the 4efte ECU in the Corolla and drive to the mapping shop with the piggyback disconnected and connect it when I’m safe at the shop? What do you suggest? 

12 hours ago, Claymore said:

With less common swaps there will be lots of new "challenges" to overcome.

I appreciate your explanation. Sometimes I can seem to be repetitive but it is not easy to plan a job like this especially when it hasn’t been done often. I think I understood most of your explanations. I totally agree that you have to put the engine in and  proceed step by step by modifying parts until they fit. My friend is skilled but he doesn’t have a complete shop. We are looking for the extra tools we need. He loves this project and he won’t charge. It’s a compromise and a challenge but I am stubborn so it might work fine. The engine will be shipped in December and I will have it in early January so I think I will have all the information I need to do a great job. I will make sure I will take all the pictures so we will finally have a complete 4efte swap session in a Corolla E11. I want to thank you and @Sam44 for sharing your knowledge. 

On 7/27/2020 at 9:20 AM, Claymore said:

Managed to get hold of a fte lower power steering bracket so I can fit the fte oil filter relocation piece. I know the fte power steering pump is different but I'm not sure if the standard fe power steering pump will fit to the fte bracket? Anyone ever tried this combination?

@Sam44 I was reading this thread. How am I gonna adapt the 4efte lower power steering bracket to fit the Corolla? Can I get a custom made from someone experienced?

On 11/25/2020 at 2:43 AM, Sam44 said:

The only thing I can think of with the brakes would be the servo assistance pipe to the inlet. Just use your original pipe to the original E11 inlet manifold.

Again my bad I got confused. Somehow I thought that the servo box would need an extra exit for a pipe to the turbo. Nonsense. So the Starlet Ganza V servo pump is different compared to the Corolla one?? If so, how should I modify it and why? Thanks.

@Sam44 I have a question. You told me that I can swap the 4efe with the 4efte without removing loom and ECU. This said, what are the wires and sensors that will plug and plan and which ones will have to be modified and how? Which connectors would I have to buy and where? What about the fuse box wiring? Will it be easy to connect all the wires to the new engine? Trying to figure out if it would be easier to swap the full  loom/ECU and fuse box as well Thanks

13 hours ago, Claymore said:

I think you have not understood your mechanic. Or he is playing a joke on you with this question.

 

My bad I am the one seeking for information without having the knowledge to understand everything you guys tell me. This is why I was confused about when you were telling me that the Corolla steering pump has to be kept because it is better. Reading through the tips you posted I thought I read some thing about modifying the steering pump for piping. My bad. I agree with you about getting a mechanic who builds parts. There is one who does jobs like this but it is insanely expensive. My boy has been preparing Lotus cars for race. He is good but unfortunately right now he doesn’t have a four shop to do all the custom work. All I am saying is that it is harder here to find a shop with someone with all the passion to do a work like this. If I spend so much time on these forums is because I love it and I want to learn from the best to do a cool project but I don’t have the resources to pay the big shots. I will get the best from white you gave me here and will try to make it happen. 

On 11/23/2020 at 8:39 AM, Sam44 said:

this is not the 4efte original pipe. the original pipe is a catalytic converter which will defiantly not fit in. this is the aftermarket decat pipe.   

Gotcha. Thanks. What about the manifold? How should it be cut Nd welded to avoid hitting the 4efe gearbox front mount? Do you have pictures?

my mechanic asked me how should he modify the steering wheel oil distributor to get an extra exit for the turbo pipe to the turbo? Is this correct? How ca dot4 oil work with the turbo? Can you please explain. Do you have pictures of that part? Thanks