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11 hours ago, Sam44 said:

the 4-e series toyota engine is a 1.3ltr from the factory. the 4-a series engine is a 1.6ltr. the 7-e is a 1.8ltr  

Yeah that’s weird because this American JDM shop is selling the 1.6 L. It says it’s the 4efte. Are they mistaken?

On 10/19/2020 at 12:45 AM, Sam44 said:

In my opinion the corollas come with the best boxes. 

 

As I remembered you suggest keeping my Corolla gearbox. Buying the 4efte engine without gearbox will save me €600. You agree?

11 hours ago, Sam44 said:

the engine.  

rebuilt 4EFE with original cast domed pistons skimmed flat to give a 8.1 compression ratio.

it will have the 4efte inlet cam, as well as the valve springs. this means a 7krpm red line is achievable/acceptable. 

it will have honed bores, acl high load bigend bearings, polished crank pins, with all machined sharp edges removed. i do recommend having the crank pins case hardened. i can have this done at an additional cost. 

the head and engine block surfaces will be skimmed, the original toyota composite head gasket and head bolts will be used.  

it will have an e11 oil pump fitted. and full engine gasket and seal kit used. 

the engine will need a run in process be be carried out, this consists of 1000miles with around 5 engine oil, and filter changes at set intervals.  

 

How much would this cost and what else would I need to get it running as a 4efte? I should have an aprox quote with all the parts to decide if I should do this or buy the full 4efte. I found a 4efte in the UK without gearbox for about £1850. You told me that I could use my 4efe Corolla E11 gearbox. Are gears on the E11 shorter? Did you tell me about it or am I mistaken? My engine reaches180 Kmh at 5400 Rpm with his 88 hp. The 4efte generates 135 hp so maybe gears should be longer?

The moment I get an approximate quote I can decide which way to go. Thanks

I am looking at a 4EFTE 5speed EP91 engine 1.6 L that I found in the United States. I didn’t know that the 1.6 L even existed. 

3 hours ago, Sam44 said:

yeh.

ill message you at weekend. 

with the global covid situation, ive been stationed away from the uk. im hoping till January. the next 12month plans, and near future is very uncertain.  

with this in taken into consideration. ill message you some engine ideas and prices. 

 

 

 

  

Yes sir. I  have lost so much work because of this and I really need this to be a positive project to make me happy. I’ll wait for your message. Thank you

On 11/2/2020 at 8:29 PM, Sam44 said:

Just at present I'm looking for a E11 4efe corrola to utilise the faster engine ECU with ignition system. If I can find a low milage example this could work out nice. 

It would just be the bear block and cylinder head complete. For that price I will fit turbo valve springs and cams. 

That sounds interesting. If you could send me a short list with the total parts and prices (everything I need ready for a swap including piggy back with mapping data) all together with your work on a 4efe as you just said. This way I can compare total cost with the purchase of a full 4EFTE engine.

Example: 4efte full engine with gearbox (rather I use it or not) €2600 (taxes included); front Intercooler €400; fuel pump you suggested €250; water pump €100 ish; belts €100;, exhaust €850; labor €1000. Total €5300 (probably less)

4 hours ago, Sam44 said:

just out of interest how much could you get a used low mileage 4efe engine for.

Maybe €700/800. If you find one...

2 hours ago, Sam44 said:

Another question: what rating is the fuel you use?

I totally understand. I’m still waiting on a 4efte with low millage. Gas stations don’t have rating here. I used Shell V/Power for a while. Highest rating here. Otherwise 4 star I guess. Total, Shell, Esso and the other big brands. 

54 minutes ago, Sam44 said:

ill message the young lad that did the ep82 in the video link above I can see he will have been running this for awhile now, see if he has had any problems. 

 

Thank you very much. I appreciate it. I just went to speak to my mechanic and he said that it is hard to find a 4efe with low mileage and it would cost at least €2000 to open mine to regenerate cylinders and put new pistons. He also asked if the shafts would be strong enough with the turbo. What kind of head gaskets would be needed to have the correct compression? He asked me if the 4EFTE version has thicker shafts and crank shaft. The cost of the turbo and the manifold plus all the extras for 4efte parts plus labor would raise the price. He thinks that it would be cheaper to buy the complete 4EFTE engine and work around it for the swap. This, in order to make it work for a daily use around 180 hp. As soon as we can figure this out the other option and costs I will decide and start buying whatever is needed. Thanks for your help!

I’m loving this topic because more people are sharing their experience. The two down points are my lack of experience and the fact that I am not in the UK. This said I want to tell you all that my 4EFE engine has 230,000 km. @Sam404 told me right away that the best option was to get a complete 4EFTE engine with ECU and swap it with my 4EFE that I would use for spare parts during the conversion. For instance the Inlet to be adapted to the 4efte turbo and of course a front IC. My goal is to have more horsepower but not a race car. I want to be able to drive it every day. This said I read all your posts and with all the technical and precious information I still don’t know which option will be cheaper for me. If you could kindly give me a small list with the total price for the parts I need to buy, I would be able to decide what to do. Realistically I already saved around €2000. I don’t think this is enough to add a turbo to my refe with piggy back ECU and all the 4efte components plus pistons and valve regeneration. All I know is that a 4efte with at least 80,000 km would cost me €2600/2800. On top of that I would have to spend an extra €800 for the custom exhaust, plus fuel pump, water pump etc. that would be around more or less €1000. Plus €1000 for labor. As soon as I can understand the total costs I will proceed. I really want to make this happen and be the first in Italy to have a Turborolla rocking the streets! Thank you guys! ❤️

On 10/30/2020 at 3:32 PM, Sam44 said:

With the milage that is currently on it i'd recommend doing an engine health check before applying boost pressure. 

1). Compression test across all cylinders.

2). Cylinder leak off test (testing ring seal and valve seal)

3). Cylinder hybrolic test will also test ring seal and in most older engine causes free off sticking piston rings.

4). Oil pressure test. 

5). Crank case pressure test using an monometer. 

I'd replace the crankshaft front main seal and rear main seal upon updating the 4efe standard clutch.

I would also inspect the valve stems through the head inlet and exhaust ports for signs of wet oil, this tells you if the valve stem seals are leaking. like most of the engine seals they will harden and go brittle.

on these the race spec rocker covers help reduce turbo crank case pressure build from blowing oil  past external engine seals, (cam seals, rocker cover seals, dizzy seal, front main and rear main crank seals, sump seal)  

There are again afew options here to boost your 4efe. 

1 of the lads recently has done a very very good turbo convection on a ep91 UK spec 4efe. 

Maybe he could add a list of what he used. 

A different and great aprouch to boosting a 4efe engine. 

Conventional way to convert the 4efe. 

Engine part's required for turbo conversation: 4efte exhaust manifold, oil filter relocation housing 4efte, sump later ep91 4efte the best option low corner surge + matching oil pick up pipe/strainer, turbo with all turbo lines (coolant and oil), 4efte ep91 or ep82 exhaust system and down pipe (decat pipe). 4efte thermostat housing, 4efte flywheel and 212mm clutch or 200mm uprated 4efe unit, 4efte power steering pump with bottom pump to block mounting bracket and bolts, both low pressure pipe from the power steering reservoir and high pressure pipe from the pump to the steering rack 4efte, 4efte rocker cover, heat range 6 spark plugs 4efte. 4efte gray injectors 295cc will see around 220hp, piggy back ems. Intercooler and piping (4efte top mounted intercooler requires the factory bonnet scoop).

ive just been sent this from one of the lads on here.

 

 

How much would these 4efte and aftermarket parts cost? I heard they are rare. That’s what scares me. I don’t wanna get stuck. This is probably why they suggested to buy a complete 4EFTE engine. Please let me know if you have sellers who can help with this list. Thanks again.

3 hours ago, Claymore said:

You need to decide how much money you want to spend, and what power you are looking for.

Unfortunally my budget is the lowest it can be. So turbo charging my 4EFE would be apparently the cheapest solution? If so, I need to consider the whole turbo kit, manifold and exhaust, ECU or whatever piggyback, intercooler. Is this all I need? Could you help with a list? I need to check brands and prices and I need a “to do list” to be able to discuss it with my mechanic for labor hours.

What are the cost to go 150 PS without opening the engine or either 220 PS and forging the engine for both for long mileage life?

Costs wise  All I know so far is that the 4EFTE engine would cost me at least €2600  shipped to the shop engines are usually around 1000000 km old. The complete exhaust would cost me €850  A custom intercooler would cost at least €400  Labor would be around €1000.

This is what I planned so far. I need to see how much I would save by turbo charging my 4efe 

Thanks

1 hour ago, Calum122 said:

You might find that 130PS is absolutely fine and is just enough power. Drive it like that, and to make that jump to a 4EFTE engine in the future, or reinforce your 4EFE engine.

 

I would be more than happy to keep my 4efe engine and overcharge it. If you could kindly give me a list of components I shall buy to make it happen, I will discuss details with my mechanic.

Thank you for your suggestion. It means a lot to me because all I wanna do now is get my 88 hp up to whatever hp I can to drive it every day without headaches. 

On 10/27/2020 at 11:19 PM, Sam44 said:

the inlet manifold on the corolla

I heard about this before. Basically keeping my inlet manifold and adding the 4EFTE turbo parts Will make it more efficient. this can be done. I still haven’t found the 4efte engine. Talking to the Irish guys and at the same time to a great shop in Italy who imports Japanese engines. Buy it without gearbox would cost me around €2000  @Calum122 is suggesting to keep my 4efe engine send buy a turbo L modify it without swapping with a 4efte. With the shafts hold the pressure? I read before that the 4efe shafts are too thin compared to the 4EFTE. 

On 10/28/2020 at 7:22 PM, Calum122 said:

 

I don't understand why, for that money, you don't just forge the 4EFE lump?

I guess because everything I read so far wouldn’t advice to put a turbo on the 4EFE as the engine wouldn’t be strong enough to hold a the hp and torque. Also, the labor would be very long including all the risks and extra components. Especially if done by someone who has never done it before on a Corolla. As the 4EFTE is a native turbo engine, it would be easier. This said I am not an expert. I am just saying what I read so far and I would obviously want to save money so you can tell me more about what I should buy to make it happen. If you could provide a list with names hi would talk to my mechanic. Point is that buying a good after market ECU would cost me at least €1000, plus the turbo, IC, manifold and a brand new exhaust. Swapping a full 4efte with turbo, loom and ECU would cost me labor, a larger exhaust, water pump, belts and oils  this way to start. If the engine is in great conditions  But again. I’m willing to save money and keep my engine as I already no it’s in great conditions  @Sam44 already told me that the 4EFE gearbox is strong enough to hold a turbo but I read that the shafts or two week to hold that power. If this is true I would risk to break the engine really soon. Please tell me more. Thank you  

Thank you

It is amazing how much knowledge you have concerning these engines. I would love to be a mechanic and have the equipment to work on it myself using your experience. My concern is that as I will have to pay labor to swap the engine, I will not have the privilege to open the engines and check it’s real conditions before putting it into my Corolla. It would cost too much. This is the gamble I will have to face. My original 4efe has run 235k Km and it runs perfect. Maybe I will be lucky to find a 4efte in the same conditions or better?

Thanks again!

On 10/19/2020 at 1:24 AM, RoyalDutchie said:

I would buy it without the gearbox if you still like the feel of your current gearbox and it is without any issues. The stock 4efe gearbox should handle a stock 4efte without any issues.

Wouldn't prioritize a LSD for now they are nice to have but not a true necessity. 

Thank you for your advice. That will save me money and as soon as my gearbox seems to be running well without noises, I will change the oil a few times and invest the money I save on the gearbox and other components. Waiting for feedback‘s about available 4efte engines hoping to pick one without issues. I know it’s a Russia roulette. My guy in Italy told me he never had an issue with any Japanese engines ever since he started to import them 7 years ago. Even though this engine is older, with low mileage if I am lucky it will run well. I’m an amateur and I’m putting all my savings so fingers crossed.

W are the statistics about cracks and failures on the used (80k miles) 4efte engines? Should I invest money to change for example pistons and shafts? Or Should I be fine with your original ones and be able to have some fun without blowing the engine? Thank you

On 10/19/2020 at 12:26 PM, Sam44 said:

I'll sort you a gearbox I've got loads here. Very low milage boxes. 

I appreciate it. I will post as soon as I find the engine hoping I can buy it without the gearbox to save money as I will follow your suggestion to use the 4efe Corolla gearbox on my car.

33 minutes ago, RoyalDutchie said:

Wouldn't prioritize a LSD for now they are nice to have but not a true necessity. 

Appreciate that. I will not find a gearbox with less millage than my 4efe. What would I have to do to regenerate one? Just to know if I would get stuck for months. Thanks to both of you. 

4 minutes ago, RoyalDutchie said:

The oem lsd for the 4efte should be out of the picture getting a complete unit with the custom mount and driveshaft is not  an easy task. The viscous style is pretty much an open diff now and won't function like a lsd without a refurb imo. A helical lsd would be the best maintenance free LSD on the market as far as my knowledge goes. 

The black cap would be a reference to the endcap of your gearbox if I'm not mistaken. The 4efte ones are made completely of aluminium and the gearbox in the Corolla has a sheetmetal endcap coated in black paint.

Thank you for the info. The only 4efte engines available now are without LSD. Just trying to figure out if I should buy the engine without the gearbox or not. Sam44 is helping me figure out if I can adapt my Corolla 4efe gearbox to a 4efte. What do you think?

9 minutes ago, Sam44 said:

I'd just use your box at that price. At a later date we could sort a nice gearbox out that houses an lsd unit. If you decide this is what you need.

In my opinion the corollas come with the best boxes. 

The Yaris c54 looks good but I recon it will top out at around 120mph. 

It will bolt upto the 4efte no issues.

Just change the gear oil with good quality oil, change this after 6month, to flush the box. 

Great. I eill keep the 4efe Corolla gearbox.you suggest buying the 4efte without gearbox? It will be cheaper. Will the Corolla 4efe gearbox fit perfectly the 4efte engine I will buy from Japan? If I understood well. Thank you

4 hours ago, Sam44 said:

tell me you have a black end cap. 

Yes as you can see in the picture. Black cap. Am I right?

3 hours ago, Sam44 said:

Your E11 box is no stronger or weaker,  just high mileage. 

Point is that if I cannot use mine I will have to buy a complete 4efte with gearbox that has 80k Km. There is no 4efe engine with less than 250k Km. What do you suggest? Labor cost to regenerate an engine would cost a fortune and ai cannot afford it. I want a nice Turborolla.

4 hours ago, Sam44 said:

What is the price difference buying the engine with/without the gearbox. 

The price difference would be 500/700 pounds difference. 

Here’s my engine