Can of worms comes to mind lol... The only thing i'll say to that is, with me coming from the VW world... They give the Honda lads a hard time, but.. take 2 cars from the same years and compare the engines... Mk3 Golf .. 2.8 litre VR6 engine.. 174bhp EK9 Civic .. 1.6 16v engine .. 186bhp.. Obviously this is only 1 example against another.. but when i see their stickers saying ''Vtech this'' i can only think ''yeah, maybe you should've...''