Keri-WMS

As to whether swapping from convex seal to concave will work / is safe........I'd rather not comment other than saying "no comment"!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT - Cheers Adzy!

Copy the "direct link" to the image from photobucket. Click the "image" button here .... under the smiley... and paste the link in there where it says URL. And you get, for instance, one of our lines! The caliper end is WMS (4 pot caliper), the chassis end and the strut link are "OEM" fit and as close to Toyota OEM as we could manage. Or lines come with a more OEM clip too these days.

Maybe we should start doing OEM replacement braided lines too.....

Do us a favour and use the image embedding thing in your post please - so we can see the images here. If you have to click on the link photobucket bombards us with adverts.

In the split second I saw the image before photobucket went mental, isn't the sealing part on one of them concave and the other convex?!!!

Get the images up and I'll have another look.

*cough"

Biggest brakes to fit under 15" wheels and price please?

Normally that's the 277x25mm size (there are two kits, 54mm hub and 55mm). There is a 295x26mm kit that might fit some 15's but you'll be talking thick wheel spacers in most cases!

For pricing follow the links to the WMS section via my sig, but I'll send you a PM too.

PM'd about them and thanks, I'll give it a look tonight, appreciated.

I will check when Im home! P.s. sell me a set of you sexy brakes <3

What is the distance between the mounting bolt holes, center to centre? (where the bolt to the strut)

How much do they cost Keri?

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The best combo I know of in standard calipers would be our heavy duty 110% discs as they have a thicker casting with DS2500 pads as they get the best customer feedback of all the pads we supply.

Yup, the Celica has some of the largest caliper piston area of any of the cars we deal with (in 1 pot, 2 pot and 4-pot, all the same), about 25% more than the Glanza (and even more if fitted to a 48mm piston base model), so you'll get a softer pedal and a big bias shift to the front which can make the front lock up before the rears have got near maximum braking force. A master cyl swap can make the pedal feel harder again but unless the front/rear bias in the master is more to the rear you're still left with the front bias issue.

The funny thing is it FEELS great with too much front bias as you can lock the front wheels really easily so you get the impression of powerful brakes.......but a standard car will out stop you (ignoring heat build up over multiple stops etc), especially in the wet where there's less weight shift to the front on the chassis during the braking event.

That's why we use the piston size we do on our kits, to keep the front / rear bias as close to OEM as possible or you actually get worse stopping distances.

If you're suffering with warped discs then our "110%" heavy duty ones would be ideal, they have 10% thicker castings to make them stiffer and run cooler.

http://www.ukstarletowners.com/topic/72471-discspads-for-toyota-calipers-inc-wms-110-heavy-duty/

Thanks! Yup, the kits are calipers/discs/brackets with inserts/bolts/washers.

Lines, pads and grooves are extras. Groove prices are the same, pads (DS2500) have gone up by a few pence, lines I supoose I better check with Earls....!

Ok, so things are happening.

The biggest change is that the T20 caliper has become the T20-S (S for seals, as in wiper dust seals) with anodised aluminium pistons and a slightly enlarged body. The brackets are likely to remain exactly the same and in most cases are still cross-compatible, the caliper still takes the same pads but might have a solid cotter pin with clevis pins at the ends instead of the large split pin.......that might depend on the caliper width, I haven't decided for sure yet but have both options here.

So all the current kits have been discontinued ( !!!!!! ) but will systematically be replaced by the new "S" version with updated prices. The three most common being the 55mm / Glanza etc ones:

4P107 (275x22) is now replaced by the 4P107-S

4P109 (277x25) is now replaced by the 4P109-S

4P157 (295x26) is now replaced by the 4P157-S

...and so on.

I have a two pairs of the normal brackets so two 275mm OR 277mm kits are available in the short term, there are more calipers on the shelf so I'll be milling more of those brackets ASAP! If anyone wants a larger 295mm kit I have plently of both the calipers and the brackets for those at the moment.

So there you go......I'll try to carry on catching up with people individually too.

I just clicked "follow" on this thread yet again, I never see when people have posted here!

Best bet is stick to email please rather than call/text, my phone "at the end of it's life" to put it mildly.....

Right, so - update, two points really:

- There is an order with a replacement supplier in the works, more on that as soon as I have news/goods to show you.

- I've got ONE kit up for grabs, it's a 275x22 with grooved discs and the new calipers (note that one internal surface is milled post-anodising on both). The revised calipers are a couple of mm bigger in most places, bear that in mind for wheel clearance. This one is on a first come first served basis and I will working my way through people I owe a reply to.

Cheers Ryan & Jase (also, noted Stan! ).

Peter, there should be alloy bells and rotors compatible with both the 275x22 and 277x25 kits as they are the most popular. The 296x26 kit might get them too, but later.

Other than EBC...........well to be honest we only really get demand for Ferodo DS2500 these days, so those are what we supply and I'm pretty sure there are some on the shelf at the moment. I can't remember the last time I sold EBC pads for a WMS kit on a starlet!!

Thanks for the support guys, yeah there's light at the end of the tunnel at last - about bloody time TBH!

lol mate i used to get a PM reply about once every 10 days from WMS when i enquired about a kit ages ago. getting a few answers about the kits would take approx a month haha

5+ years on and its still the same? quite amusing really. why dont you just get someone to look after emails and check the forums its not difficult lol

really frustrating for customers especially considering the brakes are quite good.

Basically the main supplier NEARLY took us out of business over a process of several years - I was stuck between an ever increasing list of people waiting for kits and a increasingly unreliable primary supplier. The faster I reply to people explaining the problem the faster they reply - I hit 14h days at points trying to keep up while selling nothing through no fault of my own.

All I can do is my best while trying to run what became a struggling business and came close to bankrupting me, but I'm glad you're amused.

Snowed under in a big way, sorry - there are no kits on the shelf due to a lack of calipers (this has been the issue for a long time now) but more are finally due to arrive soon (in an upgraded but compatible form....). My apologies to anyone who is due a reply, I'll be working my way through them as soon as I can.

Alloy bells and rotors are all drawn up and will be prototyped once I have the new version of the calipers in my hand and I things are rolling properly again!

We stock the discs for all three kits still and normally keep DS2500's on the shelf as they are the most popular and probably the best bang for your buck at the moment.

Yup, we ony have 4 pot kits thus far. 6 pot kits don't have any specific advantage other than generally being larger calipers, so suited to larger discs and heavier cars.

So Supras / Skylines / M5's - 6 pot makes sense. Hatchbacks are best suited to 4 pots as they don't NEED the extra weight of massive caliper as it effects the handling.

...after having a search, the V version of the Grid looks like the spokes are more tucked in for more dish, normally a RWD thing - trouble is that uses up "caliper space". So we'd need to check it with the profile PDFs (which need checking/revising to the new calipers themselves!)

Rota Grids are very tight for some reason (we've got info on the Grid, not sure about the Grid V if it's different)! With the 277x25 kit you need a 3-4mm spacer, with the 275x22 kit you need a "0-1mm" spacer.

That said, this is based on the Mk1 version of our caliper, in the real world there are some tiny differences with the Mk2 so those figures might change.

Also wheels vary a bit depending on the castings etc!

4-pot prices are all in our section (hit the link in my sig, below this post).

We don't currently have a 6-pot kit, BUT.........we do have a new 6-pot caliper that we should be able to offer this year. I don't have prices yet, but if it's 6-pot or nothing I can probably work it out.

What wheel size have you got?

Our WMS 4-pot kits don't normally need wheel spacers, and in cases where they DO they are pretty thin. We use discs with the deepest offset we can to move the calipers inboard away from the wheels to maximise clearance.

We're out of them right now but are re-starting production with a new supplier so we should have them back on the shelf in the near future!

Sorry guys - it's really tough to keep on top of loads of conversations at once (it takes several hours per day to keep up) especially about stuff I'm currently unable to supply. :-/

There is a plan to get calipers back on the shelf but I can't give an accurate timescale. A low number of months I hope.

One thought though in the meantime, I DO have two pairs of oversize piston calipers still, so I can supply two kits to suit race/track cars as long as they have proper adjustable bias pedal boxes. (otherwise you'd get an unworkable bias shift to the front)

I'm also still not getting notifications when people post in this thread which doesn't help.