right lads, got some 20mm wheel spacers so got on with it today, looks alot better with them on now the wheels sit spot on and arnt sunn in the arches anymore BUT what a ball buster! getting them on was easy enuf but getting them not to rub was never ending! wheel on, wheel off, jacked up, jack down, coilovers up, coilovers down, arch roll here, arch roll there . . . . . and so on!! think there ok now though filled it with fuel so theres max weight and it only just catches on dodgy angles. heres a few pics, went dark so a few of the last ones are pants but will get some full car ones tomorrow at the manchester meet.. each foto is a before and after shot. front before front after rear rear after wide boy like i said pretty pants pics but will get full car 1s in the light tomorrow! daz