Same basic engine in the MPS as the ford ST and the volvos iirc. Just 200cc less. They are good motors though, much prefer one to a ST. On the civic front though, the type Rs have just gone downhill progressively since the EK9. Each new one has been more shit. But if your willing to spunk the money on a EP3 then they can be very good motors, there are a few running K24 still N/a putting out around 300 bhp ish. Also a couple of boosted/charged ones up here around the Falkirk area that are scary quick.