ChineseMafia Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 hey guys i just rebuilt my engine and procided to stat her up for the first time . starts up fine but after starting it up i noticed a few things she dosent idle like normal its almost like the engin is reving on its own also i noticed the turbo temp was rising quickly so i puled out the oit filter and it was bran new not a speck of oildip stick indicate oil level is fine the engine idles really rough i really need some help on this guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChineseMafia Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 no oil preasure gage yet but the light goes off Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ste91 Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I'm guessing your timing and ignition is off a bit if you have a dodgy idlehave you got the cams in the right place and are the HT leads going to all the right places? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChineseMafia Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 checked the timing and its fine the cams and leads to i have been told that its due to the new rings being so tight but that still dont explain the oil not pumping Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paul w Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Blocked oil lines possibly?Probably some damage to the turbo bearings if you've run it with no oil reaching it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarletRick Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 check the oil line to the turbo isnt blocked. if thats ok.... take the timing belt off. take off the oil filter and get a drill with a 14mm socket on the end and spin the oil pump clockwise. oil should spray out. if not, youve got a shagged pump or pickup. check that and let me know, and ill tell you where to go from there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChineseMafia Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 thanks rick will do Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChineseMafia Posted August 11, 2008 Author Share Posted August 11, 2008 ok guy i tried rick`s suggestion and still nothing NO OIL at all what next Rick ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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ChineseMafia Posted August 12, 2008 Author Share Posted August 12, 2008 pick up pipe o-ring or crack in pipe, also check o-ring on oil pump to block too. one chap had the same prob on tgtt and it was down to a speedvision oilpump gasket.what do you mean it was down to speed vision oil pump gasket? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Danturbo4311 Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 please dont tell me you used the oil pump gasket as it acts as a spacer between the pump & block therefore the pump has not got the pressure to lift the oil, what you gotta do is loosen oil filter spin the pump see if the oil is getting to filter, i did that mistake and first time it cost me a crankshaft and bearings you should only use sealant not a gasket Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarletRick Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 what a load of bollocks. the 4e pump is designed to be used with a gasket. you NEED the gasket for the pump to work properly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Danturbo4311 Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 It is not bullocks there is an o ring that sits round the pump YES which you need for it to work but in the speedvision gasket set you also get a gasket which fits round the oil pump body which fits to the block. Thats the gasket i am talking about not the o ring. I can provide photos if you want trust me i set up an experiment with my spare block fitted the pick up pipe with the pump in place and a bowl of oil, with the pump body gasket in place and span it over on my drill at full power with no pick up, however as soon as i removed the oil pump body gasket guess what it picked up the oil with hardly any power. I can provide you with pictures to back this up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Danturbo4311 Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Pictures showing which gasket i am talking abouthttp://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t215/da.../P9100503-1.jpg -picture of block blue arrow pointing towards were the o ring should sits on the pump this Should be fitted.http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t215/da.../P9100502-1.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t215/da...11/P9100501.jpg -pictures of the oil pump body gasket which i got in my engine gasket kit, toyota did not orignally make a gasket for it, it's supposed to have sealant to seal it to the block hence why theres little channels where the sealant sits in (shown with red arrow). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarletRick Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 thats where the confusion is. i was talking about an oem kit where you only get the rubber gasket. i thought you was saying dont use the rubber one!i didnt even know paper ones were available? im pretty "up" on 4/5e oil pumps, ive had some interesting times involving them... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Danturbo4311 Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 I can understand the confusion mate just thought id put up the photos as its really hard to explain it and easy for others to see if they have the same problem, yea i found that gasket in my speedvision engine kit never had a problem with any of his stuff before and I've brought alot off him as like you said you dont get it in the oem kit you also dont get the sump gasket in the oem kit either, and I've heard about you rick and i no you your stuff mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarletRick Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 yeah no problems matey. easy enough to get confused on forums! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChineseMafia Posted August 12, 2008 Author Share Posted August 12, 2008 you guys are all right thanks for every thing rick i did what you said with the drill and no oil came out so since i couldcontact you i proceded to remove my engine from my car to get to the root of the problem after stripping the entire engine down i took a look at my second oil pump and realised it didnt have the grove for the rubber gasket on the pump body how ever the block i was using did. so here the run down you can get 2 types of pumps may sound crazy but its true and i have the pumps to prove it .1 pump body has groove for rubber o ring 2 pump body has no grove and grove is on block but the long and short of it all is as soon as i removed that crappy speed vision gasket the pump worked fine that dam thing may have just cost me my turbo and my brand new bearings cas the engine ran for quite some time befor i realised the filter was still brand new the only thig i didnt have to buy over after using that kit was the cam seals and and crank seals . the distributer oring dosent fit and nothing else works all the injector rubbers dont fit ecti hope sam at speed vision would take a look at this cause he says his kits work fine and haz never had a complaint Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarletRick Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 there are 2 different types of pump, youre right. the earlier pumps didnt have a groove as it was on the block itself. and the newer pumps has the groove in the pump and the block was flush. i still dont know for the life of my why speed vision gives out a paper gasket. i wonder how many engines have been wrecked by his kits?!your crank bearings will be fine if it had the right amount of oil in it. your turbo may be ok if you primed it with oil first. it takes a good 5 minutes for the turbo to get hot. and id whip the cam cover off and check your cams mate. check the lobes for scratching or breaks. hopefully your assembly lube should have been up to the job while the oil wasnt flowing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Danturbo4311 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 i still dont know for the life of my why speed vision gives out a paper gasket. i wonder how many engines have been wrecked by his kits?!I wonder the same thing as such a silly mistake can become very expensive, if you have fitted it, remove it, take plugs out and leads, spin engine over on the starter and after a few turns the oil light should go out, or if you havent fitted the gasket, check oil fed pipe & o ring, let me no if its cracked or something as i have a brand new pick up pipe fresh from toyota with a toyota o ring too, still in all the packaging got it last week. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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