Azz Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Right guys in trying to sort everything out that I need ready for my swap to a DTA s60 pro ecu so I've come to the conclusion I need Fuel pressure sensorOil pressure sensor3/5 bar Map sensor Intake temp sensor Water temp sensor Cam position sensor Vtec coils All will be aem sensors as they are direct fit with DTA units Is there anything else I will need and can someone kindly tell me where best to mount most of the sensorsCheers Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Socks Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 water temp sensor should already be there? Cant see why the ECU would need fuel or oil pressure senders.. Unless your datalogging.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azz Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Thanks for the quick reply Matt, them sensors are what I've been told too use but I was surpised that many are needed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azz Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Anymore info please guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
_shaun_ Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 crank sensor aswell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azz Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Thanks Shaun I'm not sure wether I have cam position sensor and crank sensor mixed up, were and how does the crank sensor it ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
_shaun_ Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) crank sensor would prob be a toothed trigger wheel on the crank pulley. and a small sensor that counts the teeth. cam sensor would be a small cam sensor working the same way but attaches on to the cam were the dizzy unit was Edited January 28, 2013 by _shaun_ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azz Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Ah yes I get it, I'm sure I've seen a few poeple with the crank sensor and toothed pulley.Would I need both or just the crank sensor ? Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
_shaun_ Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 if u want to run the coils sequentially am told you will need both Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azz Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Hmm right ok looks like I need to do some more reading up then as I'm back to square one now hahaThanks once again Shaun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bean Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 you only need a cam sensor if you want sequential injection Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azz Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Would sequential injection be advised on a 4e pushing around 400bhp?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) If going standalone you may as well run sequential injection. You can just use the stock triggers to run sequential injection. Get in contact with Chris @ CCM, he's the man to speak to about wiring up using the stock triggers.Although it is advised to run an external crank trigger simply because its more accurate as you run higher rev limit. You don't need fuel or oil pressure sensors but you will need them if you plan on running any safety cut features which I would recommend. Edited January 28, 2013 by AdamB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azz Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) Thanks Adam, I think I'm getting there slowly there just isnt that much online about wiring and sensors for dtaWhere can I find ccm aswell Adam ? Edited January 28, 2013 by Azz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) Have you been on the DTA forum mate? Very helpful on there.http://www.dtaforum.com/I've looked into the DTA series myself quite a bit so have a good understanding of it if you need any help You'll most likely find Chris over on TGTT mate. Username is Chris@CCM Edited January 28, 2013 by AdamB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azz Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Didn't even know there was a dta website to be honest buddy so thanks for that one. I'm not on tgtt actually always spent my time on ukso Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I have a stock wiring diagram that will help you wire up the triggers mate. I'll upload it for you tomorrow when im on my laptop Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azz Posted January 29, 2013 Author Share Posted January 29, 2013 I have a stock wiring diagram that will help you wire up the triggers mate. I'll upload it for you tomorrow when im on my laptop Top man ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 (edited) As promised mate:Note I have drawn a red box around where you need to be looking. G1 = Cam TriggerNE = Crank TriggerG- = Ground Personally I would still opt to use external triggers because the stock type are of the reluctence type, these are ok but give a pretty poor signal compared with hall effect sensors. The only advantage to using the reluctence type is that they require no power + feed. Look into Ford or GM/Vauxhall triggers since these can be picked up for pennies and are already pre-programmed into DTA series ecu's a long with other ecu's. Edited January 30, 2013 by AdamB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azz Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 Thanks for that Adam,Its looking like it mite be just as easy to use the dizzy as the cam trigger, would make my life easier anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Using the cam trigger would be the easiest as it will save hassle having to fabricate something up to fit the stock location and get a signal.Will most likely use the same thing on my setup, and use an external crank trigger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
turbo Grant Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 24 + 1 Toothed Wheel (Toyota ESA) inside the distributor using either 2 or 3 VR sensors (Ne, G1 and G2), depending on model. With the 3 VR sensor distributor we are only concerned with 2 of the sensors, one which reads the 24 teeth and one which picks up a single pulse per revolution.On 4 cylinder engines the third sensor (G2), which also picks up on the single tooth, will be redundant.This might help you out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azz Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 Ye if its there already mite aswell use it like you said Adam Thanks Grant, so D2 won't be needed just G1 to count and NE for signal.Starting to make sense of this now, looks like the main fabrication will be the toothed crank wheel.This is what I was told about on the DTA forum HeI've had an S80 running in a test setup on a 4EFE using a 4EFTE distributor to get enough teeth. It had some intermittent issues syncing on start-up due to low-ish resolution and no missing teeth I believe, but ran well.I used Trigger number 6 (Honda no missing teeth). I don't have laptop handy or I'd give you trigger angles.Personally I'd throw a 36-1 on the crank , and retain the distributor for Cam signal if you wanted, could still use the stock trigger in there for that. The only reason I didn't go crank trigger was because I was doing testing on the engine for EFI in a speedway class and just needed to prove the point. Longer term I would.4EFTE I used had 24 teeth (so 12 crank equivalent) and a single "Cam" trigger. The pickup looks like 2 cam sensors but it's note Quote Link to post Share on other sites
turbo Grant Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Get your self some think like this for the crank Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azz Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 Get your self some think like this for the crankSo I'm right in saying you've removed the power steering grant and replaced with that toothed inner ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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