Browner Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Ok lads... Just to be clear I'm not pointing fingers at anyone but I want some opinions on this please. No names will be mentioned. Let me be as clear as I can with the facts about the car.My friend recently built a fully forged 4efte ep82 running a td04 and an E-Manage Ultimate ECU. The engine was not a spanking fresh build and had been taken from a fully driving car. The car was assembled from scratch and the bestof parts used throughout. The engine was fitted and the engine was started and idled for a very short time to check it was running ok. It was then driven a very short distance up and down a local lane. All seemed fine. Then it was driven to the local town to get tracking done and I met him then to go for food. When I met him the car seemed to be idling and driving fine and he drove it back up to the shed where I loaded it on my tow truck and brought it to his mapper.The car was left with the tuner for a couple of weeks and the tuner said the timing was out by 4 teeth and he had to adjust it. He wired up the ECU and it all seemed to be running ok. Then my mate went to the tuner for the road mapping session and was well into the mapping session. They were off the clock doing 3rd gear pulls and he was delighted with the power and how the car was running and then bang, they blew a valve clean out of one of the wheels at 180kmh. They had no spare wheels and it was on a Sunday so couldn't get a replacement. He left the car with the tuner and went back up today with new wheels. The car was started and let run in the yard and they were out about 15 mins finishing off the map when a squealing noise came into the head and they stopped the car.The tuner sent us the following pictures below...More than likely the engine is completely fucked now with metal filings in the head it's most probably travelled down around his bottom end so it will have to be stripped to check.Two of the caps for the cams were scored. The tuner said he checked and the caps were in the right order according to the stamps on them etc.What else to note is the dry cam?Also if the engine was out by 4 teeth as the tuner said, surely it would have ran like a bag of shit and wouldn't have idled ok previously? Even with some adjustment on the distributor side?My head is wrecked now as this guy put every last penny he had into this car and now right at the finish line this happens <\3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glanzagee Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 could i see a closer picture of the caps next to the timing belt looks like the gallerys are blocked with incorect sillcon application Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shorty Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 even the outside of the exhuast cam looks crazy dry! and why didnt your mate check the timing before he started to drive the car?? he can build an engine but not time it in? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 What happens if the head gaskets put on the wrong way round, does it block off any oil ways? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jim* Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I think it leaks a lot aswel as blocking off some oil or waterways Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morgey Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Well whatever happened theres no oil in that head, its nearly bone dry.Which surprises me as when ever me or my mates have done anything to our engines we always pour oil all along both cams so the head has some pre start up lube. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waderz06 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Was the oil pump changed during the build? Definitely looks like oil starvation sucks to hear things like this, people spend good money on their cars and don't deserve them to be destroyed so easy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micky boy Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Would it still start if it was 4 teath out? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glanzagee Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 like i said get them end caps off !and its not bone dry ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Browner Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share Posted April 10, 2013 @ Shorty the engine came out of a running car that had been running ok before removal. The timing wasn't touched on either the timing belt side or the distributor side so he just fitted the engine the way it was. As stated above it was a full running engine not a fresh build.@ waderz06 no I don't think he changed the oil pump before he fitted the engine@ Micky boy yeah I'm not sure if it would even start if it was 4 teeth out but surely it wouldn't have idled smoothley? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Asad Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 if the oil pump was the issue the camshafts would be the least of your problems, the bottom end would fall apart knock first tbh timing isnt really a issue here either, if it was out or not it wouldnt cause a problem like that..as you said the car would stall out/not start and it drove fine this is a oil supply issue, there was oil present just not enough to give constant lube hence the end ones went i.e a blockage somewhere in the head/cams imo of course Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Browner Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share Posted April 10, 2013 Any more opinions on this lads? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whitenoize Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I don't know much about this but if getting oil to the he head is the problem will the bottom end be safe or is the lot fucked? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie1st Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 What was the oil pressure like? Appears to be a blocked oil way if there was pressure? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Browner Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share Posted April 10, 2013 Not sure what oil pressure was like. We haven't removed and stripped the engine yet to check for bottom end damage but it will all have to be stripped and flushed out regardless with all them filings Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starletburkie Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Tuner is defo not to blame there obviously the engine is! Cam wasn't even gettin oil lol also the tuner who had it knows his shit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Browner Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) It's a weird one Burkie engine had been running fine previously though. Showed the pics to a lot of people who said they've never seen anything like it before. Either way the engine will have to come apart now anyway Edited April 11, 2013 by Browner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starletburkie Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Funny one for sure man, must have bein the oil pump or blocked oil way Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rubix_Cube Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Tuning can't starve a component of oil, there has been a failure/blockage and its caused your issues. I'd be looking at all the oil ways and the oil pump. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David-Starlet Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Oul feed to the head must be blocked up or else headgasket is on upside down blocking the oil feed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Danza V Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Oil pick up blockage? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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