maddox710 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Hi guys in two minds on which ecu too run, I will be running forged 4e on billet td05. Not got mega cash to spend on mega fancy Standalone, was thinking about running emu, or similar spec. What would you lads suggest Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikey4410 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Yea very possible emanage blue or similar.Sounds like quite a setup u got there !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 EMU would be the minimum I would run tbh. What injectors and boost do you plan on running? I think at anything around the 1.7 bar mark you'll start blowing out the spark so you'll need to go for an ecu which has 4 ignition outputs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Omex 600 isn't too expensive or try megasquirt ms2 Or if you don't need any toys emu isn't a bad bet. Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maddox710 Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 EMU would be the minimum I would run tbh. What injectors and boost do you plan on running? I think at anything around the 1.7 bar mark you'll start blowing out the spark so you'll need to go for an ecu which has 4 ignition outputs.Gunna be running denso 460cc but enough boost to see 300bhp round 1.5bar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DevonGT Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I'd suggest standalone. If you've spent the cash to get the engine right, it deserves good management. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maddox710 Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 Emu is easily had for cheap and can get hold of plug an play looms and sensors easy enough Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 You'll be ok with the EMU, but you won't be able to use injectors beyond 550's, or if you do you'll find controlling them will be a struggle. 1.5 bar will be ok on the ignition side of things, but I think you'll have to run pretty small spark plug gaps. You may want to check out Dean's Haltech he is selling, its only £550 which is a bargain, and they are very very easy to map. I believe he has a loom for it as well, but may need a couple of connectors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maddox710 Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 Thought they would before I brought them :/ seen a few people build thread running just over 300bhp but running high buty cycle on them. I'd be looking at staying round standard cr ratio too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
webby Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 DTA S40's are only £530 to buy new im running one good ecus for the money and there standalone you can have launch control, coil plug etc plus lots stuff its worth looking in to one of them mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 The CR isn't a problem.I just worked out that at 300bhp with 90% duty you'll need 466cc injectors, I wouldn't like to see anymore than around 92% duty personally. So if you make more than 300bhp you will need larger injectors than the 460's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maddox710 Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 The CR isn't a problem.I just worked out that at 300bhp with 90% duty you'll need 466cc injectors, I wouldn't like to see anymore than around 92% duty personally. So if you make more than 300bhp you will need larger injectors than the 460's.Cheers ad, ah man never mind just put um back for sale, and try and find some. 550s Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Toffinator Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Bump on this. When my car is back on the road i will eventually want it mapping but still unsure on which ECU to go for.Minimum im thinking off is EMUSpec is Ported and polished headFully forged 5EVF24 PNP TurboAnd all the other usual supporting mods Will i have a decent setup on this if i use 3SGE Injectors (Pink or greens available) at around 1.4-1.5 Bar?Or is a standalone needed? Want to see 300bhp really Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Haltech, Link, Omex, DTA are all good ecu's that will do what you want for not very much money. If you keep an eye on ebay you can also pick up Motec M4's pretty cheap, although you won't be able to run sequential ignition. I would always choose the best ecu you can afford, its the most important part of any build. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Toffinator Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 (edited) Excellent point i suppose being the most important part! As above im not going for massive boost and power so i would probably keep the standard ignition etc, would just prefer the ability to get a proper map on it and be more precise than an EmanageWould settle for a Motec M400 Easily enough i suppose! Also what do people think of Emerald ECUs? The K3 for example? Thanks Edited September 25, 2013 by The Toffinator Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Motec M400 is what I have and their not cheap! lol, looking at around £2000 just for the unit itself. M4's are an older generation, can be had for around the £550 mark second hand, maybe cheaper if you get lucky. Emerald are good ecu's, been around for a long time and the software is easy to use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Toffinator Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Ahhh got that wrong then lol, a local tuner to me i trust can fit and map emeralds and a few others, Apexi as well but there old hat and i cant get hold of one really Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 The Apexi I wouldn't even put on the list tbh. Another good one I've heard is the AEM, very similar to Omex I believe.Emeralds are good, if you can get a good price on one then why not Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jayc-glanza17 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 if you can afford a billet turbo..then a standalone isn't that far off in price.. I run a n omex 600 and its 550 pounds if your competent with wiring and maching for a trigger wheel you can do it for a grand..and any reputable mapper should be able to map omex or aem which is same software.. I went from emu to omex 600, forget outright power, but driveability and control and safety on a standalone is far superior to an EMU.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Toffinator Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I havent got a billet turbo dude i have a ported and polished VF24 I bought for £120 LolThe tuner quoted me many months ago about 1100 Fitted and mapped on an emerald, Wouldnt mind getting a new quote and see what he reccomends.I Am competent enough with wiring, is it a case of wiring a loom up yourself? And yeh heard off somebody before OMEX And AEM are the same software so that might be an option Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 You can go two ways with tbe wiring, either make up a field harness to plug into the existing engine loom, then just add some more for any features you want etc. Or just make a whole new loom, I prefer the latter as its much neater, depends how much time you got on your hands and how anal you wanna be lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maddox710 Posted September 29, 2013 Author Share Posted September 29, 2013 I think im gunna stick to emu, Burny is running 325bhp on his Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikey4410 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 i have had a 230 bhp starlet,what the hells a 300 plus bhp like ? surely its to much Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobSR Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I dont understand peoples obsession with motec, yea they are good, but there is better things out there now. Dont get a PFC imo, totally not worth the money, and if your not going for a massive spec, yes and EMU would suffice, but again a standalone like a link etc will be better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdamB Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Theres more reasons behind going for a standalone than just power capabilites. Motec's are very good, been around for years and are very reliable. I agree there is better things out there, the only thing that lets them down is they are very rarely updated compared to the likes of Syvecs etc, but then the updates are mainly to do with new features which can't be used on a 15+year old starlet anyway.Hell if I had the money I would have a Pectel, but they are mega money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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